Ever since ash's turtwig evolved it only won one battle against the sneasel(unless you want to count when it took out Jessie's seviper and yanmega on 2 different occasions). And when it evolved into torterra forget about it. That's just a disgrace. If gliscor didn't get the training with the air battle master and beat Paul's drapion, it would be on my list with staraptor, torterra, and Buizel. So yes I agree with your post in that discussion