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3rd Gen Shiny Discussion/FAQ [Read all of first post if you don't want an infraction]

Discussion in 'Past Pokémon Generations Discussion' started by emeraldellie, Feb 2, 2009.

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  1. emeraldellie

    emeraldellie Δ Staff Member Admin

    Okay, the last thread was getting quite long and had some problems, so time for a new start. You must follow these rules for the thread if you don't want to be infracted.
    - All general Serebiiforums Rules and 3rd Generation Discussion Rules, of course.
    -You may not go offtopic in this thread at all. This is discussion of and questions about shinies only. This means no talking about your favorite ice cream flavor or which Pokemon is the coolest, or anything like that. This also means none of the ever-annoying "congrats" or "good luck" messages. If you feel the need to say that to someone, do it on their profile.
    -This is the 3rd generation, which means Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen, Colosseum, XD, Box, Channel... I think that's all of the games you can actually get Pokemon from. Anyways, that means no Diamond/Pearl/Platinum or Gold/Silver/Crystal shiny discussion/help. This isn't the place to discuss your new chain or the Odd Egg.
    -No "semi-legit" (aka still hacked but makes people feel better about themselves) or "hacked" shinies. No one can stop you from cheating to get Faraway Island on your Emerald, but don't share it with us. Don't post here saying you got a cheated Birth Island ticket to get a shiny Deoxys or something.
    -No posting unless you've actually obtained a shiny. "Targets" overran the last thread and many of them either were never completed or took weeks to complete so that the poster posted over and over again about the same shiny. Not anymore. None of this "I'm going to start SRing for Moltres today" or "I've hatched 580 Magbies and no shiny yet" or the even worse "I have a SECRET target and I SRed 5784905689403 times for it" or something.


    Also, I have to make three posts to make everything fit with the stupid glitches with this forum. No, that does not give the rest of you permission to double-post.
     
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  2. emeraldellie

    emeraldellie Δ Staff Member Admin

    Frequently-Asked Questions about Shinies
    Check the main site’s Shiny Mechanics Page first

    1. Q: Shiny Pokemon? What are those?
    A: Shiny Pokemon first appeared in the Gold and Silver games for the Gameboy Color. Basically, they are alternately colored Pokemon (for example, shiny Charizard is black instead of orange).

    2. Q: Wow! Are shiny Pokemon more powerful?
    A: Unfortunately, no. The ONLY difference between shinies and regular Pokemon is the color. They’re pretty much just for bragging rights.

    3: Q: How can I find a shiny Pokemon?
    A: Every single catchable Pokemon that you find (Eggs, Gifts, Wild, etc) has a 1/8192 chance of being shiny. There is no way (in this generation) to find any quicker, so you'll just need to rely on luck.

    4: Q: But I’ve seen over 10000 Pokemon in my game and haven’t found a shiny yet! That can’t be right!
    A: 1/8192 is a probability. That doesn’t mean that after 8192 Pokemon, you will automatically find a shiny.
    A good example of this is when you roll dice. You have a 1/6 chance of getting any particular number when you roll, such as the number 2. That doesn’t mean that you will roll a 2 in six rolls, or that your second roll will be a 2, etc.
    The same goes for shiny Pokemon. You may find a shiny on your first try, or within a hundred tries, or maybe not until 10000 tries.
    To delve in a bit deeper, picture that whenever you encounter a Pokemon, a random number between 1 and 8,192 is generated. Let’s say that the number 500 is the “shiny number.” If 500 happens to be the random number that’s generated, the Pokemon will be shiny. If the number is anything else, it will be a normal Pokemon. Nice odds, aren’t they?

    5: Q: If I breed a shiny Pokemon, will the baby from the Egg be shiny as well?
    A: Unlike in G/S/C, where you had a higher chance of hatching shiny offspring when the parents were shiny, this is NOT true for any of the 3rd generation games. Every Pokemon has the same odds of being shiny, no matter what.

    6: Q: What is this soft resetting/SRing thing I’ve been hearing about?
    A: Soft resetting is when you press Start + Select + A + B to reset your GBA (just like turning the system off and on). It’s helpful when trying to find a shiny of a Pokemon you can save in front of, such as your starter at the beginning, legendaries, etc. It's faster than turning the game on and off, and it's less stressful on the system/batteries. Save, see if the Pokemon is shiny, if not SR your game and try again. Just like finding any shiny, this depends completely on luck, but if you’re patient you should eventually get your shiny. Keep in mind that this could take hours or days with luck, and months and months without.

    7: Q: What does a shiny _____ look like?
    A: The Pokedex on the main site shows sprites of every Pokemon:
    http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/

    8: Q: How do I know if I have a shiny Pokemon?
    A: Besides the change in color, a shiny Pokemon will sparkle when it comes into battle. There are also a couple changes on its summary page, which you can see on the main site’s shiny page (link above).

    9. Q: When will I know if I’ve gotten a shiny starter?
    A: When you’re choosing your starter, the game will show you a picture of each Pokemon. This picture will NOT show you whether that Pokemon is shiny or not. You will have to choose it and check its summary, or use it in battle, to find out if it’s shiny or not.

    10. Q: Can I save before hatching my Egg, and reset until I have a shiny?
    A: No. All of the Egg's values are set once you take it. However, you can save before taking it and have a chance.

    11. Q: If my shiny Pokemon evolves, will it stay shiny?
    A: Yes. Once shiny, always shiny.

    If you have any other questions or think something should be added here, don't hesitate to PM me.
     
  3. emeraldellie

    emeraldellie Δ Staff Member Admin

    Colosseum and XD-Specific Shiny FAQ/Info
    because it has much weirder stuff than the other games

    General Stuff
    Yes, Pokemon CAN be shiny in Colosseum/XD!
    Shiny Pokemon, just like in the Gameboy games are very rare and some are even pretty, the chances to find one is 1 in 8192, that dosent mean after 8191 battles the next pokemon will be shiny, because every battle has a 1 in 8192 chance of being a shiny pokemon.
    Your shinies may look pretty in the GBA games but when you put them onto colosseum or XD they will look different:
    Shiny Pokemon that are completely different colours then the 'normal' ones are noticable, like Dragonite is dark green instead of yellow, very noticable! The only exceptions are Shadow Lugia and Smeargle, who are explained below.

    How to identify a shiny Shadow Pokemon
    When a shiny Pokemon is sent out in Colosseum/XD, rather than the stars from the GBA games, two orange orbs fly out. Also, there's the obvious color difference. Note that many Pokemon have a different shiny form in Colo/XD than in the GBA games.

    Shadow Lugia
    A Shiny Shadow Lugia has the same color as a normal Shadow Lugia, but it has the two orange orbs flying around it, enabling you to tell the difference.

    Smeargle
    A normal Smeargle in Colosseum/XD has a red tail but a shiny one has a green tail, which is the opposite of the GBA games. What's the reason for this problem? In GSC, a shiny Smeargle had a green tail while a normal one had a reddish-brown tail. For some reason, the developers decided to switch this in the 3rd gen. Colosseum and XD, however, use the same models as the Gen 1 and 2 Stadium games, so the Smeargle colors reflect that of GSC.

    If you have any questions about Colosseum and XD shinies or think something is asked frequently enough to be added here, you can PM me.
     
  4. wichu

    wichu Project Amethyst

    GOT IT!
    [​IMG]
    Rash - 4/10/18/12/7/20

    Time to get a shiny legendary :)

    EDIT:
    [​IMG]
    Same IVs and nature.

    By the way, you might want to edit the topic title; shouldn't it say 'Discussion/FAQ'?

    EDIT2:
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    Shiny hunting is fun.

    EDIT3: I forgot about the 1 post per page rule :S Anyway, here's the (now deleted) second post:
    Just got a shiny Anorith.
    [​IMG]
    Relaxed - 28/2/4/7/11/27

    Also, I didn't get a chance to add this, but on the same day as I got Beldum etc, I also caught this:
    [​IMG]
    Rash - 4/10/18/12/7/20

    Emerald's 'random' number generator is fun to exploit (note that 4 of the shinies have the same IVs and nature) :p

    Slightly different shinies this time.
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    Relaxed - 27/7/11/2/20/20

    I also went shiny hunting on my first Emerald cart yesterday; and got these shinies (all Bold - 27/8/8/28/14/31):
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    This doesn't count multiples of the same shiny (I caught 2 Poochyena and Oddish, and found loads more of shinies I already had, including 3 shiny Swablu in a row).

    EDIT4: What's with the 1 post per page rule, anyway? I see there's a big discussion surrounding 'shiny files'. Jibaku, they do exist; a 'shiny file' is simply when the earliest shiny spread (with that ID and SID) is at around the time it takes to SR. As such, it makes it much more likely to find a shiny while SRing. However, this is the only place I've seen the term used (probably since the Smogon Wi-fi community doesn't really care about non-competitive shinies).
    Also, more Bold shinies:
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    Seedot has a 1% appearance rate o.o
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2009
  5. Draknir

    Draknir Team Popplio

    As I was training my Charmeleon in the Desert, I was wondering around battling trainers and Pokemon. I wasn't paying attention and up pops a Shining Trapinch. I was button mashing Flamethrower, and had hit it when I noticed it. Lucky for me, Flamethrower was out of PP. I chucked an Ultra ball at it and it was caught. It has a rash nature, but it doesn't really matter what it has as a nature. I'll only use it after I clone it to evolve in my Diamond.
     
  6. leon25270

    leon25270 <- Zap Cannon Espeon

    I have caught 4 Shinys in my Emerald Version (at different times, of course).

    Gulpin - Gulpin was my first shiny Pokemon in my Emerald game. I encountered it very early in the game. I was busy power-leveling my team in the outskirts of Slateport City when a Shiny Gulpin appeared. I asked my younger brother if my eyes weren't deceiving me, and luckily for me, they weren't. Some time after I beat the game, I evolved it into Swalot.

    Spinda - In the same Emerald game, I encountered a Shiny Spinda (along the soot-covered route, of course).

    Mightyena - At one point, I decided to EV-Train my Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. I was bored and I needed to do something. I was EV-Training my Groudon in the outskirts of Fortree when a Shiny Mightyena appeared!

    Skarmory - Also in the same game, I caught a Shiny Skarmory. I forgot the rest of the details.

    I gave away all of my Shiny Pokemon so that I could obtain a Lunatone, the last Pokemon that I needed to complete my Hoenn Dex. Yes, I was that desperate.
     
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2009
  7. Shigeki

    Shigeki Shiny Lover

    I got my first shiny pokemon last night, a Jolly nature Torchic.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. fast_evo8

    fast_evo8 Uhn Tiss Uhn Tiss

    First Shiny I ever encountered in Ruby was a Whismur.... Sadly I killed it, I didn't know what a shiny was x_x

    I then encountered a Shiny Slugma later that day and caught it :D it is now my trusty Marcargo
     
  9. dragon-dark-master

    dragon-dark-master Thanks SPPf. TTYL

    My first shiny was a shniy Poocheya, it was going to be th last time i turned on that game, is was going to restart and do it, agin, but i deceided to say a last harah and visit all the routes fro old times sake... and in route 101 i found it....my first shiny...ill never trade it...
     
  10. Valance

    Valance Member

    Anyone has a shiny Torchic ( lonely, naughty, mild or rash nature )?
     
  11. Pokerealm

    Pokerealm Newest Shiny~

    Lol, I love the new RNG trick in Emerald ^^
    (It's now 100% known how it works)

    I have 2 shiny numbers in the first minute, one at 11,00 seconds, and one at 38,45 seconds).

    Shinies caught in this file, in a matter of 3 days:

    Mudkip, Voltorb 3x, Lileep, Beldum, Regice, Registeel, Regirock, Rayquaza, Torkoal 2x, Spinda 4x, Lotad 2x, Makuhita 2x, Poochyena 5x, Shuppet 2x, Wurmple 2x, Machop 4x, Anorith, Baltoy 2x, Illumise 3x, Zubat, Zigzagoon 4x, Whismur 2x, Sableye 3x, Swablu 5x, Nincada, Vulpix, Tentacool, Electrode x2, Magikarp 3x, Ditto

    I'm sure half of the members won't believe me and Wichu, but I swear, it's true o.o

    Anyone who needs proof, just tell me, and I'll make pictures of my next few encounters :3

    Also, people who want to know this trick, PM me.
    I can only link you to another site though, it's too much to PM everyone with a complete guide =p
     
  12. Carol

    Carol Active Member

    How do I know if the save file I have on Emerald is the 'Shiny File'?

    Really?

    Some people were talking about it in another topic...

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=380447
     
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  13. Shiny File? There's no such thing. Each individual pokemon has a 1 in 8192 chance of being shiny. The only thing that's set early in the game is Latios/as, and even that is still a 1 in 8192 chance.

    Within all of my years of Pokemon, I have never heard of this at all. I don't know where he got that information from. It could be true, but some of the things he said were contradictory of each other, so it was rather difficult to understand. Like I said, I have never heard of such a thing, so I don't know anything about it.

    I don't deny the possibility that it's true, but I'm just saying that it sounds rather questionable. I don't think there's any way of knowing for sure.
     
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  14. Whitepawprint

    Whitepawprint Member


    Sorry, I was the one who started that thread.
    I guess it must have been a rumor, I'd just been searching round the internet for shiny catching tips and I heard some people talking about these "shiny files" saying that it lowered the chances of shiny finding to 1/50! Thought I may as well give it a go if there was a chance.
    Shame it's not true x3

    So how do you do this RNG trick then?
     
  15. Freakshow

    Freakshow Jibaku

    As the thread creator on Smogon, I guarantee that this is real and amazing

    Going after Shiny Kyogre
    26/4/22/28/24/31 Timid

    Captured Shiny Latias with that spread

    Mods you can delete my previous post if you want, but I need to post to clarify stuff.

    Excuse me? Questionable? This is 100% true and confirmed. There's a Youtube video somewhere that tells you how to capture a 30/27/11/22/26/31 Timid HP Ground Latios. If you can't get it with shinies, do it with normal spreads first (well you need your Secret ID for the shinies so I can understand if you don't want to). Many people have been very successful with this, and so did I (Captured 4 great IVed Shinies with this).

    Of course, the reason you haven't hear it is because this info is relatively new (the frames were discovered in December 2008, Emerald's glitchy RNG was discovered over a year ago). Also this frame thingy was discovered by the Japanese, which made it tough to get it here. I took the liberty of getting that info.

    http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50696

    If you resetted for legends in Emerald you'd know that Emerald's RNG loops to zero whenver you reset, thus enabling the chances of getting the exact same legendaries after a couple of resets.

    Also there is no such thing as a shiny file. Remember that Shininess is created by a combination of Trainer ID, Secret ID and PID.

    Anyways

    I've gotten Shiny Groudon (28/12/29/30/20/31 Impish), resetted my game, and got 3 more shinies. Kyogre, Latias and Lugia, all three with 26/4/22/28/24/31 Timid
     
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  16. ShadowMario3

    ShadowMario3 New Member

    The only shinies I ever encountered in the third gen are:

    Charmander - I was breeding for one (in Emerald) to use in the Orre Colosseum in Pokemon XD. Has a Serious nature, and had pretty good IVs except for Defense. You can see it in my Orre Colosseum vids in Youtube. Here it is in one of those vids:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5x44lo2p5I&fmt=18

    Squirtle - I was breeding for a defensive one (in Emerald) and ended up getting a shiny. Its IVs are: 25/31/27/16/6/30 and its nature is Docile.

    Bayleef - In Pokemon Colosseum surprisingly for me. I was on my tenth or so playthrough of the game, and the Mystery Troop had a shiny Bayleef with him. It is now a Meganium. It has been a while since I played that file though.
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2009
  17. ChaosAngel

    ChaosAngel MINE!! :D

    Congrats to all shinies, especially to Wichu with all these emerald RNG shinies.. o_O
    Nice with the shiny Relicanth and other rare shinies!

    Here's my shiny Tangela encounter. I finally encounter it at 10:52 AM after estimate of over 14,938 encounters for the past 2 weeks in my FireRed.

    [​IMG]

    I had my Maworak weaken it with False Swipe and it caused a critical hit and leaving it exactlly 1 HP left. I threw a nest ball and it's captured with 1 attempt.

    [​IMG]
    Crappy Gentle nature.. >_> oh well.. =P

    [​IMG]

    IVs: 23-27/24-28/13-17/10-14/25-29/14-18
    Too bad about it's special attack, though.. but pretty nice attack IV.

    My next target in my FireRed is shiny Lapras. I can go back to my sapphire and done more searching for a random shiny in Shoal Cave. No shiny Charmander yet in LeafGreen.

    Youtube video of capturing it will be posted later on..
    Uploading takes time.. x_x

    EDIT: youtube video..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxuIJ95C6pQ

    Good luck to all!
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2009
  18. The reason I said it was questionable was because in addition to having no clue as to what they were talking about, the guy in that thread said this:

    Which if you read it, makes absolutely no sense. Why would he say that it's literally impossible to reset for a shiny without a shiny file, and then say that it is possible and that he's done it several times?

    You even say yourself that there isn't such thing as a shiny file. The original poster's question was regarding the RNG and the shiny files, so yes, part of it was definitely questionable.

    I don't know anything about advanced computer programming, and I don't care to figure out how to reset for a shiny in Emerald. I'm just saying what makes sense, and I'm trying to help out here.
     
  19. wichu

    wichu Project Amethyst

    I meant that if you SR normally (i.e. go into the battle/pick up the Pokémon straight away). If you wait the exact amount of time, anyone can get a shiny. Sorry for the confusion :S

    As for 'shiny numbers', I admit that some files have a higher chance of encountering shinies through SRing. But that's only because those files' ID and SID happen to make one of the spreads occurring at around the time it takes to SR shiny. I suppose that you could call that a 'shiny file'.

    EDIT: Thanks ChaosAngel, and congrats on the Tangela! Did you know I actually encountered 4 shiny Relicanth? I only caught one, because due to the RNG, they'd all be exactly the same, so I may as well have cloned my existing one and saved time. I only found 4 anyway; i.e. every Relicanth I found that day was shiny :p

    EDIT2: You know there's some guy on Smogon that's caught even more than me? I'm still envious of Freakshow/Jibaku's ones, though (damn your awesome luck).
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2009
  20. Ammako

    Ammako #1 Mightyena fan

    Well, there does exists such thing as a shiny file, but it's a fan-term, just like "shiny", wich is a fan-term. The real term for "shiny" is "Alt. Color" because when you get interviewed by someone in D/P, go to "A" and you will see "Alt. Color" somewhere.

    A shiny file is when someone has a shiny number in the early seconds in their game.
    Let's take as an example someone wich his knowledge about RNG is 0%. He would have more chance to get a shiny if the first shiny number was at 0.44225 than if it was at 27.6633, because someone not knowledgeable about RNG is more likely to start right away than wait 27.6633 seconds before battle.

    Now there wouldn't be such thing as a Shiny File if the RNG started from a different place everywhere.
    1- Read the first post.
    2- Emerald RNG isn't something I would consider being lucky finding 3-4 shinies with great IV's.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2009
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