ash&charizardfan
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Anyday XY was better than BW, not hating BW but it was poorly written right from the start and 2 banne episodes made it even worse. Shocked to see XY so ahead it got better afterwars. I probably would say DP.
Honestly XY S1 is very underrated (just rewatched it recently) though Kanto should definitively be first (so I guess XY S1 is being overrates on this specific thread lol).
Anyday XY was better than BW, not hating BW but it was poorly written right from the start and 2 banne episodes made it even worse. Shocked to see XY so ahead it got better afterwars. I probably would say DP.
I would cite XY 11-16 as the poor string of episodes though XY 17 (Sanpei intro) onwards it picks up again. Not gonna lie; the Korrina was flipping amazing and I don’t really care if they sideline the MCs if they can give us a good story. Serena’s first focus episode after XY 7 was XY 21 which yeah was a bit too long (they should have given her a focus episode somewhere in XY 11-16). Yeah there were some stupid episodes (faux Ash) but they were honestly few and far between for the most part. Also DP had boring episodes as well (e.g. eternal honey plot).The first ten XY episodes were great. But after that, there were a lot of just decent/unmemorable episodes till XY050. Korrina's arc took too long. Serena was just a wallflower at that point and needed the attention.
If referring to a series as boring is a "hateboner" by your standard than so is what you just posted so maybe keep your hypocrisy to yourself thanks
Hala's and Olivia's battles beat Ash's first two gym battles in my opinion. SM had plenty of good episodes such as the introduction of Gladion, Lynconroc evolving, Lillie bonding with Snowball, when the gang switched Pokémon and Lillie learned to touch Pikachu. There's been plently of interesting episodes. Idk what you're taking about.Which is still way more fun of 41 episodes of hardly anything interesting happening in SM until the Kanto visits and Nebby showing up. SM is great now, but it only recently became that when it was a snorefest for a lot of people outside of here beforehand outside of the Litten/Stoutland episode. You know the one.
Keep your XY hateboner to yourself, thanks.
The first ten XY episodes were great. But after that, there were a lot of just decent/unmemorable episodes till XY050. Korrina's arc took too long. Serena was just a wallflower at that point and needed the attention.
BW S1 wasn't that bad, especially if they didn't nerf Ash as much.
The hidden rule to forums is you're allowed to insult any series and their fans can peacefully ignore it but you say anything about XY that isn't raving views and 10000x are on you.
Hala's and Olivia's battles beat Ash's first two gym battles in my opinion. SM had plenty of good episodes such as the introduction of Gladion, Lynconroc evolving, Lillie bonding with Snowball, when the gang switched Pokémon and Lillie learned to touch Pikachu. There's been plently of interesting episodes. Idk what you're taking about.
That's the problem when you screw your main MC it always is going to get derailed. But yeah BW first season was pretty good. BW as a whole was pretty good if you take out ash focused gym battles and league out.
Don't people usually snap when something emotionally is going on in their life that's constantly bothering them causing them pain/extreme annoyment? If you can't take critism/other people's opinions on your "favorite" show and its causing you emotional distress maybe you shouldn't be watching children shows. At the end of the day she (assuming she is a she) was barely bashing it and expressing her opinions. Which the thread ask for. I don't know why you need constant validation from other people on how good your favorite saga is but it's kinda sad.Hahahahahahahaha
This is so moronic and ironic at the same time. The constant XY/XYZ bashing gets tiring and the other guy snapped. I'm not gonna even bother to comment more on this.
FYI, it's the other way around, but it's not like a person like you would care anyway
I really liked the BW beginning episodes, same with DP as well as SM. Even though I chose Alola, I should've went with DP. Kalos was ehh... I mainly liked the Ash and Clemont relationship before it along with Clemont's usefulness disappeared. I think the others would be pretty boring to sit through... ^^;
I agree with PokegirlFan's ranking!!
Exactly! Like I said, their relationship in the beginning was appealing just as when people was curious about how Serena "knew" Ash from way back when (which turned out to be a 5 minute encounter) but once Clemont lost to Ash at the Lumiose Gym, everything went downhill for him. Even his character episodes were focused on his Pokémon rather than himself and he went back to being the same old character despite wanting to be more like Ash.I think early XY worked better because Clemont was in more focus, and his goofy personality and abilities added a bit more colour to the dynamic. He could bring out comical or snarky reactions from Ash and Serena, he could have creative, eventful face offs with Team Rocket due to their competing tech skills (and buffoonish personalities), as well as that, despite being a decent battler, he had other utilities through his inventing and tech to make his contributions more unique and feel like his character was driving things along a bit more.
When Clemont was pushed into the background to make Serena the supporting protagonist, things seemed to dumb down a good bit, since Serena didn't have many quirks or skills that bounced off of the dynamic or gave it a new drive like Clemont did. She got her development at last, but it was mostly solitary or between her Pokemon, while Clemont, despite minimal development, added fun to the plot.
This is probably the same reason Misty and Brock's underplaying made the later parts of the OS less memorable. People forget characters are important not just for their personalities stand alone but what they add to the whole dynamic.
Best comedy series -> OS
Best action series -> XY and XYZ
I always wondered, why did the writers and fans treat XYZ like it's a separate series? Even Netflix did and made XYZ episodes completely separate from XY. Are they not the same saga or?
No you can't. XY&Z is just the latter half of XY just like Battle Frontier and BW Season 2/DA are the latter halves of AG and BW respectively. XY&Z barely lasted a year and can't be treated as its own series when Ash didn't finish his badge quest in XY, Alan was still collecting Mega Evolution data and helping out Team Flare before the crisis began, the league near the end of XY&Z, and everyone's roles were upgraded to be more relevant. Aside from the bond phenomenon, stuff like the Team Flare arc didn't happen until way later, near the end of the saga.Probably because the focus changed a lot. XY's focus was the gym badge quest and the introduction of mega evolutions while XYZ's focus was the Team Flare arc and Greninja's bond phenomenon.
You can treat it as just one series though.