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5th Gen Cores Discussion

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by McDanger, Sep 10, 2013.

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  1. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    Cores are the keystone for teambuilding, wither stall or hyper offensive. Now most people think of cores as F/G/W, but thats not true, cores are a group of pokemon, usually 2-4, that work together to complete a set job, either one of the sweeping, or breaking walls, volt turning, or passive damage.
    Cores posted here will be archived here on the first post for people to see. People can also post cores that they need help with for advise. Feel free to post cores for other tiers outside of OU.

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    Kyurem-B @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Teravolt
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Outrage
    - Fusion Bolt
    - Ice Beam
    - Dragon Claw

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    Landorus-T (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 188 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Rock Polish
    - Swords Dance
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake

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    Starmie @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 40 SAtk / 216 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Rapid Spin

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    Tyranitar (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
    - Crunch
    - Stealth Rock
    - Pursuit
    - Stone Edge

    This core is ment to put a lot of pressure on the opponent with 2 of the biggest OU threats atm, kyurem black and landorus therian. Both kyurem black and landorus therian have strong offensive synergy as most of landorus therians walls, rotom wash, skarmory, are checked by kyurem black while landorus can set up on kyurem blacks checks like jirachi, terrakion, and scizor. The two are further supported with defensive starmie and bulky tyrannitar, starmie there to spin rocks and act as a second check to landorus therian and scizor while ttar is there as a scarfed latios check, while setting up rocks and a back up for volcarona.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2013
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  2. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member



    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16379446#post16379446 - Mcdanger

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    Hydreigon @ Life Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Mild Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Fire Blast
    - Superpower
    - Earthquake

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    Latios @ Expert Belt
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Surf
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Psyshock

    This core features two of the most devastating Dragon types in the current OU meta, featuring Hydreigons insane ability to hit from both sides of the spectrum, combined with Latios' incredible coverage to hit a majority of the meta for super-effective damage. These two cover each others weaknesses quite well. Threats to this Hydreigon include, but are not limited to Thundurus-T, the possible next Uber, Keldeo, & Breloom, all of whom are promptly checked & KO'd by Latios. Meanwhile, the threats for Latios, including Tyranitar & Special Defensive Jirachi are helpless against the three-headed behemoth, as T-Tar gets taken out by a Superpower, meanwhile, Jirachi is KO'd by a Fire Blast + Earthquake combo. All in all, this core is incredibly dangerous, so I would highly recommend using it if you need a good offensive core.

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16379640#post16379640 - Extroph

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16379882#post16379882 - Jesusfreak

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16380490#post16380490 - Usatoday

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16382163#post16382163 - Ima_Penguin

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16383235#post16383235 - Dr Ciel

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16385374#post16385374 - Aura Sensei

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16386230#post16386230 - Ghost of the Forums

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16389868#post16389868 - Dr Ciel

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16398286#post16398286 = MC Barrett

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16390412#post16390412 - MC Barrett

    http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?615646-5th-Gen-Cores-Discussion&p=16404790#post16404790 - jirachiuser







     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2013
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  3. Apollo77

    Apollo77 John Doe

    Because yay I like to contribute things

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    Umbreon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Synchronize
    EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Def
    Careful Nature
    - Wish
    - Foul Play
    - Heal Bell
    - Protect

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    Hitmontop @ Leftovers
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
    Impish Nature
    - Rapid Spin
    - Toxic
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge

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    Cofagrigus @ Leftovers
    Trait: Mummy
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef
    Bold Nature
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Shadow Ball
    - Pain Split
    - Haze

    This core contains three defensive mons that have great type synergy and a lot of walling capability. Umbreon can take pretty much any special hit with ease, cures crippling Toxic, and remedies Hitmontop's and Cofagrigus's lack of reliable recovery with Wish. Hitmontop keeps hazards off the field while walling physical attackers with Intimidate. Cofagrigus can stop set-up with Haze and further cripple physical attackers with Will-o-Wisp, while reliably checking spinners. Umbreon can take Psychic attacks aimed at Hitmontop, who can take Dark moves aimed at Cofagrigus, who can take Fighting moves aimed at Umbreon. The core supports each other and the rest of the team very well, and functions well in the UU environment.
     
  4. Extroph

    Extroph Gaijin Shogun

    Not sure if this core is relatively useful generally, but it's pretty useful for my 3:3 Fighting mono:

    Pokemon-Against-Psychics-And-Steel (PAPAS)
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    Who's Your Daddy (Conkeldurr) (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Guts
    EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 154 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Payback
    - Drain Punch
    - Ice Punch
    - Mach Punch

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    Big Papa (Tyranitar) (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SDef
    Sassy Nature
    - Pursuit
    - Stealth Rock
    - Crunch
    - Fire Blast​


    Although these two fatherly figures are walled by Grass/Poison stall such as Amoonguss, they can fare relatively well against the likes of offensive Psychic and Steel types. These include Heatran, Starmie, Latios, Lucario, Jirachi, etc. The reasoning behind this statement is that Conkeldurr covers Tyranitar against Steel type moves, and for as long as Conkeldurr is in the team, it will make the opponent think twice before making a decision. Same goes for Tyranitar, who cover against Psychic powerhouses like Latios.

    Due to the weakness of these two to Poison stall and their inability to cover Ground type attacks, I usually place Landorus and Jirachi along with them.
     
  5. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    nice defensive UU core, it looks like it could work on a balanced as well as a stall team. Are rain dance teams a problem idk how much rain boosted hydro pump from kingdra does yo umbreon

    I`ve seen a core like this except it used tr reun to help conk sweep. Also why not use sheer force on conk as your not using bulk up and fire/thunder punch > pay back?
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2013
  6. Apollo77

    Apollo77 John Doe

    I don't really see special Kindgra often, but Umbreon would usually get 2HKO'ed by Hydro Pump. I usually run Roserade alongside this core though, which can switch in during the turn rain is set up, take a Draco Meteor and recover enough health with Giga Drain/Black Sludge to survive the next one. Some balanced teams may not like using 4 defensive pokes though, so I left Roserade out.
     
  7. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    makes sense, i can see abomasnow helping too as he can switch in on the on hydro pump and force it out with wood hammer/giga drain or blizzard if its using tornadus to set up rain
     
  8. Extroph

    Extroph Gaijin Shogun

    I use Guts because Ttar/Jirachi/Landorus are all Physical in my team, and Will-o-wisp would really cripple them :] Plus, people voluntarily use Toxic/WoW on Conk thinking it's Sheer Force, so it's kind of fun when that happens as well.
     
  9. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    I see what your saying, but you could add reuniclus to take that and use TR to help conk sweep, added to the first post
     
  10. Lol, 4 Pokemon is a big core. Still pretty solid, though.

    This is one core that I used back during the summer in an attempt to make SD Bullet Punch Lucario work. See, Bullet Punch Lucario excels at taking care of its best offensive checks, Scarf Tyranitar, Terrakion, and Gengar, all of which resist or are immune to Extremespeed. However, this leaves it more vulnerable to raw counters like Jellicent and Landorus-T. A good way of dealing with these is by trapping, and so this core developed.

    Lucario @ Life Orb
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    -Swords Dance
    -Close Combat
    -Extremespeed
    -Bullet Punch

    Scizor @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    -Bullet Punch
    -U-turn
    -Superpower
    -Quick Attack

    Gothitelle @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Shadow Tag
    EVs: 208 HP / 252 SAtk / 48 Spd
    Modest Nature
    -Psyshock
    -Thunderbolt
    -Hidden Power [Ice]
    -Grass Knot

    The main aspect of this core that makes it so successful is that many of the same switch-ins to Lucario are shared by Scizor, and these often eat a U-turn and are trapped and killed off by Gothitelle. Scizor lures in Pokemon like Jellicent, Landorus-T, Gliscor, Gyarados, Tentacruel, and Hippowdon, all of which give BP Lucario trouble. Gothitelle 2HKOs Jellicent and OHKOs Gyarados with Thunderbolt, OHKOs Landorus-T and Gliscor with HP Ice, OHKOs Tentacruel with Psyshock after Stealth Rock, and OHKOs physically defensive Hippowdon with Grass Knot. Besides these specific counters, the combo works well as a general offensive core. Scizor's slow U-turn helps get Gothitelle in safely on as many Pokemon as possible in order to trap and remove them. It also helps Lucario get in for free whenever the opponent sends in something it can set up on.
     
  11. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    Ya most of my cores are 2-3 but i lost most of my good teams lol

    Sexy core, does goth have enough bulk to trap keldeo cause it seems to be a big pain for the core
     
  12. Somewhat. The only way Scarf or Expert Belt Keldeo can OHKO Gothitelle is if Rain is up and SR is down, and even then Gothitelle can take a Hydro Pump about half the time. It's certainly not very reliable, though, and so you'll need to reach into your other team slots to solve that weakness (as well as others). One version of the team with this core (there were a lot of versions) had specially defensive Celebi with SD + BP. So many people would use Tyranitar/Scizor's Pursuit without thinking about it and I would BP to Lucario, set up SD on the switch, and sweep at +3. Needless to say, Celebi also helped cover things like Keldeo and Thundurus-T, who might be trouble otherwise. If all else fails, don't forget that you have two Pokemon with Bullet Punch and Quick Attack/Extremespeed, which can possibly save your skin at the last minute.

    Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can use Trick > Grass Knot on Gothitelle, but I prefer Grass Knot to OHKO Hippowdon and deal solid damage to CB Tyranitar. Btw, the EVs are designed to outspeed the standard CB Tyranitar, in case anyone was wondering.
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2013
  13. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    I`ll add that to the details
     
  14. Usatoday

    Usatoday Eternal God

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    Kingdra (M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim
    EVs: 28 HP / 252 SAtk / 228 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Draco Meteor
    - Rain Dance
    - Signal Beam
    - Hydro Pump

    Hippowdon (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Whirlwind
    - Stealth Rock
    - Slack Off
    - Earthquake

    Stoutland (F) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sand Rush
    EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 164 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Pursuit / Wild Charge
    - Superpower
    - Frustration
    - Ice Fang

    Keldeo (Keldeo-R) @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Justified
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Hydro Pump
    - Rain Dance
    - Secret Sword
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
     
  15. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    nice core, very out of the box ideas and making use of underrated pokemon. It seems to me tho that you have to use amoonguss or latias as breloom is a huge threat.
     
  16. justinjiaxinghu

    justinjiaxinghu class on my back

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    A neat Ubers sun core I came up with. The past standard sun core consists of Groudon, Forretress, and Ho-oh. Groudon sets up the weather as Ho-oh desperately needs, while Forry provides hazard support and removes the Stealth Rocks that Ho-oh despises so much. This core is kind of different, consisting of Double Dance Groudon, Specially Defensive Gastrodon, Magic Bounce Xatu, and SubRoost Ho-oh. Magic Bounce > Rapid Spin because the latter wastes a turn in which a magic bounce user could use to possibly cripple or even kill off a weakened opponent. With U-Turn and Magic Bounce, Xatu has great synergy with Ho-oh, as it prevents hazards and creates momentum. Double Dance Groudon puts huge amounts of pressure on the opponent as they are forced to switch into their Groudon counter as the dinosaur sets up, and at the same time, Sun is summoned that yet again, assists Ho-oh. Gastrodon is here mainly because of Kyogre, who crushes Groudon and Ho-oh. With Gastrodon, however, the opponent is prevented from spamming Water Spouts in fear of being absorbed by Gastro and striking back with +1 Scalds. Ho-oh is the center of this core, as when hazards and sun is up, Brave Birds and Sacred Fires can be spammed, killing everything.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2013
  17. Ultimate Champion

    Ultimate Champion The Great Pokémon Master

    Actually, that isn't the standard Sun core in Übers. The standard Sun core in Übers is the following:

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    Groudon, Palkia and Ho-Oh makes an excellent core. Ho-Oh can take any special attacks it is not weak to, such as Ice Beams and Grass Knots aimed at Groudon and Dragon Pulses and Draco Meteors aimed at Groudon or Palkia; Groudon can take any Electric and Rock-type attacks aimed at Ho-Oh, can also to an extent tank Outrages aimed at Palkia or Ho-Oh and of course set up the Sun for Ho-Oh; and Palkia has a quadruple resistance to Water, which is the common weakness of Groudon and Ho-Oh.

    Sol (Groudon) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spd
    Impish Nature
    - Dragon Tail
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Stone Edge

    Sunna (Palkia) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Fire Blast
    - Hydro Pump
    - Spacial Rend
    - Thunder

    Ra (Ho-Oh) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flame Charge
    - Roost
    - Sacred Fire
     
  18. justinjiaxinghu

    justinjiaxinghu class on my back

    The one I posted was the standard core before Hack's contribution. I just wasn't sure what hack's core was so I posted the old one. my fault :p
     
  19. Ultimate Champion

    Ultimate Champion The Great Pokémon Master

    Actually, I was the one who personally invented and first popularized the Groudon/Palkia/Ho-Oh core with this team, which was made long before Hack even used this core (to my knowledge). This is the one and only true Sun core in Übers, barring variations such as having Latias, Gastrodon or Arceus-Water over Palkia, due to the perfect defensive synergy the Pokémon that make up this core have with each other. While Forretress indeed helps the core with its hazard controlling abilities, it cannot be considered to be a part of the core itself due to its lack of defensive synergy with the core's other members, let alone replacing Palkia/Latias/Gastrodon/Arceus-Water in it, as that would result in the entire core being easily demolished by Water-type attacks.
     
  20. Ultimate Champion

    Ultimate Champion The Great Pokémon Master

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    Both Giratina-A and Arceus-Ghost could very well go over Giratina-O in this core, especially in stall teams such as Donkey's #1 Rain Stall, but Giratina-O is by far the most common for this core from my experience, as I see Giratina-O as a member of this core in numerous teams that have reached #1 on ladders, including Sheetanshu's team, -Manaphy--'s DW Ubers team, another DW Ubers team of hers that I tried to replicate at one point in time, and Problematic. With both Ferrothorn and Giratina-O being resistant to both of Kyogre's weaknesses, Kyogre's Drizzle halving Ferrothorn's Fire weakness on top of both Kyogre and Giratina-O resisting Fire-type moves, Giratina-O being immune to Ferrothorn's Fighting weakness, Kyogre being resistant to Giratina-O's Ice weakness and Ferrothorn being resistant to Giratina-O's Dark, Ghost and Dragon weakness, it is no wonder that just like the Groudon/Ho-Oh/Palkia core described in the above post, this is one of the best cores in the Übers metagame, as it features a resistance or immunity against every single type of attack in the game barring Flying (come to think of it, I just realized that this is probably a fundamental part of why Ho-Oh is so good against rain stall), which is probably partially why Dialga is such a great teammate of this core, being even mistaken as a part of it by Smogon. Aside from the aforementioned near-perfect defensive synergy shared between the members of the Kyogre/Giratina-O/Ferrothorn core, there is also the fact that within this very core itself, there is a user of Spikes and a Ghost-type Pokémon to block Rapid Spin (Ferrothorn sometimes uses Stealth Rock instead of Spikes, but since Dialga is a very common and effective member of rain teams as mentioned earlier, combined with the fact that it is a great Stealth Rock user, the Ferrothorn in the rain core often uses Spikes instead) meaning that aside from being able to defend against the opponent's attacks incredibly well, this core could also utilize some very deadly offensive strategies with Ferrothorn's Spikes in combination with Kyogre's incredibly powerful attacks and Giratina-O's excellent pseudo-Hazing abilities. Within the presence of the incredible Spin-blocking ability of Giratina-O (or in this case, more commonly Giratina-A or Arceus-Ghost), Tentacruel also makes a great addition to this core with its Toxic Spikes and Rapid Spin support, especially in what I personally believe to be one of the best team archetypes in the Übers metagame: rain stall.

    Leviathan (Kyogre) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Ice Beam
    - Surf
    - Thunder
    - Water Spout

    Lucemon (Giratina-Origin) @ Griseous Orb
    Trait: Levitate
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 176 Atk / 248 Def / 84 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Dragon Tail
    - Magic Coat
    - Outrage
    - Shadow Sneak

    C4 Durian (Ferrothorn) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 SDef / 8 Spd
    Careful Nature
    - Leech Seed
    - Spikes
    - Thunder Wave
    - Power Whip
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2013
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