Lots of PVS Ideas
First off, I'm going to "officially" implement the Stealth Rock weakness modifier. That has seemed to really take care of quite a few outliers and was much needed anyway.
Okay. I might caution though, that 25% and 50% decreases might just be a little too much. On the other hand, it could be just right.
Ok, so first question for the masses. I'm still too focused on just getting the main values done and haven't really been able to give individual pokes thought, but maybe now that testing is going to start up it's time to deal with some "suspect" pokemon. The question is, would you rather discuss it here or start a thread in the playtester group?
Here are a list of what I've seen that need discussed:
1.) Scizor: is the modification I made for STAB Technician Bullet Punch sufficient? In light of the Stealth Rock modifier, does his Value of 16 accurately reflect his value?
2.) Machamp: No Guard needs to have more oomph to boost Machamp since he seems too low.
3.) Ninjask: Speed Boost/Baton Pass: Does it need further modification or does reducing the Stealth Rock modifier to -25% rather than -50% good enough? (i.e., is 13 an accurate value for Ninjask or does that need to go higher).
4.) Gyrados: With Stealth Rock, is 11 even close to accurate? Is his lack of FLying STAB moves and a support movepool really limit his value that much or is there something specific that needs accounted for?
Those seem to be the main culprits. I think Scizor, in light of the Stealth Rock Modifier, looks about right at 16 since that is a pretty high value now. So he might be solved.
Let's discuss these things here in the thread.
(1) I think Scizor is about right at 16.
(2) I don't particularly think Machamp is too low, because as some have said, basically the only reason he could get into OU is No Guard/Dynamicpunch. It's cool and all--I like it--but I don't think that combination is especially valuable.
(3) Is Ninjask really only used for Speed Boost/Baton Pass?
(4) I'm pretty sure Gyarados is worth more than 11. Gyarados can actually get the Flying type move Bounce, BTW, which is better than nothing. I can't say for certain why Gyarados is as good as he is.
Second question for the masses: With the Stealth Rock modifier in place, what should the new standard OU/UU mixed team value be? 75 might be too high now.
Anyway, let's keep the convo going.
Good question. I wish I had a good answer!
Amen.
Basically:
SR double weak -> Value becomes 4/7 original value (~43% drop)
SR weak -> Value becomes 6/7 original value (~14% drop)
SR resist -> Value becomes 15/14 original value (~7% increase)
SR double resist -> Value becomes 31/28 original value (~11% increase)
SR immunity (Magic Guard) -> Value becomes 8/7 original value (~14% increase)
These decreases sound like they might be a bit more workable than 25% and 50% decreases. However, I'm not really sure Stealth Rock resistance needs any bonus. Overall, I like this idea.
On an entirely different note, wouldn't it be interesting if more Pokemon were completely immune to Stealth Rock?
I tried making a new rule for No Guard by taking into account the 100% confuse rate of dynamic punch even though it isn't listed as one of the "most powerful" moves. That change boosted him up to a 9, but testing will tell if that needs adjusted further.
Okay, Machamp doesn't sound too high at 9.
Does anyone have a way to block real life without any ramifications?
Block? No. Circumvent? If you want to time-travel! (Anybody got a used time machine?) Do mathematical work, go back in time with your newfound knowledge, use your newfound free time on real life--it's that simple. I've thought of how cool it would be to take whole college courses, memorize whole books of the Bible, or discover new fields of mathematics through time travel. I wish it worked, but it would get into the wrong hands.
And Kindrindra, great explanation of the PVS!
Finally, I just want to remind everyone of my suggestion from the previous page: How about we set a tentative date for a tournament? I'm getting back from my vacation in a few days, so it wouldn't have to be too far off. It might just be the best advertising we could do.