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A Rant on the Issue of Popularity

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Kiyohime

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Dearest authors, reviewers, closet readers and members who frequent the Fanfiction Forum, I would like to address an issue that has been increasingly becoming downright irritating. I don’t know if it affects everyone, but it certainly affects me and others who are slapped with the label “popular.”

I am exhausted and sick of this issue that has been flogged over and over. It’s like a dead horse.

I don’t know when this ridiculous bigotry began, but if I had to make a guess, it was about the time when the Summer Fanfiction Awards wrapped up.

I’m still new by some people’s standards (less than a year old) but when I first joined, no one knew me. I have been writing since I was eleven, which makes it around seven years that I’ve been writing stories, and this is the first time I’ve ever been deemed a “popular” author. It took me seven years of work to make my writing as widely regarded as it is now, and I never regretted it, but the way things have been going recently, I’m starting to feel as though people are forgetting what the whole concept of it means.

We write because we enjoy it, it’s a great hobby and a mental exercise that makes our minds work to grow, we improve on our English. English actually was not my first language, but I started learning it when I was about nine, and writing stories has contributed so much to my fluency in the language. People will remember that my first stories posted here (especially Negrek) I horribly mangled some of the punctuation staples such as the semi-commas and my “Poocyena” blunders. I was unknown, and a year’s worth of posting stories that people enjoyed was fun for me because it was the first time that people were enjoying my stories and giving me feedback. I’ll admit that I am pleased with the popularity, and I don’t feel guilty because it took a long time to get people to enjoy my preferred subject matter. Now I’m starting to try my hand at dry humor and action, but I would be the first to say that there are many authors here who can do that better than me. Everyone’s got their good points and weak points.

I love writing, and will always do, but I wish that people wouldn’t put so much emphasis on “popularity.” I assumed the entire point of writing was because we enjoyed to do it and because it let us be independent in creating our own stories and characters, not because we were hungry to be one of the “elite.” I do not understand why this issue has become so stretched-out-of whack as of late. I understand and acknowledge that people desire their stories to get attention and acclaim because it motivates them to write more and improve, but it should not have to create bitterness between those who are well-known and those who are not. We all share the love of writing, so why can’t we all try to stop slapping labels on authors based on petty things? Labels are for cans, not people, and last time I checked, I’m pretty sure I’m not a can of Spam.

People seem to think that the well-known authors are well-known because they have good connections. To me, I don’t know about that, but as I already stated, when I joined, no one knew me, and I simply started posting stories, and met people, and talked with them. Take me and Saber. I met her through reviewing stories, and she make a joke about my profile location, and you see the result today—Team Hobo. It’s a long-running inside joke, not an elitist thing. Maybe people assume that the authors PM each other to plug each other’s works, or to make fun of the newer authors. For me, yes, I do ask Serpent Syra and Saber to look at the newest story I’ve posted, and THEN I return the favor because we all value each other’s input and opinions. I have sent hundreds and hundreds of PMs to Syra and Saber, and other people, all discussing the same thing—our stories. We exchange ideas, give each other input, ask for advice….I don’t know how Syra puts up with me, as I’ve literally deluged him with PMs, frantic for advice with Aeon.

To me, that’s the best part of this forum—interacting with people and sharing our stories and helping each other improve. This may be some cheesy crap, and I agree--- this is no Gettysburg Address. XD But I’m hoping that it gets my point across. This is what people should be writing for, this is what we should be doing, instead of getting worked over how many reviews we have. This dispute between the supposedly “popular” authors and the “underdogs” is petty and undermines everything writing’s supposed to mean to us.

Thank you for taking the time to read this rant. ^^;
 

Yami Ryu

Well-Known Member
I think I can explain the popularity issue from a netrual/underdog side/point/whatever, as untill recently, I really did not get readers or reviewers of anything I wrote (unless it was R ... or smutty .__.)

anyways, it's mostly because 'underdogs' or people that don't get attention, feel their work, (well, going from how I felt) is un apriciated, and well, why write when no one reads, I mean sure you can write, but why write it out/post it if there's not gonna be people reading it?

And it makes people feel even worse when there's only a select few getting nominated for an award thing, should know, when I was modding one of the last awards, before they started up again, I got a few nominations .. only cause I was mod. And when I didn't take the suck upping they gave, all but three changed their votes from me to other people :x

Not all people that write, do it for hobbies or for themselves, there's a bit of an attention seeker in all of us, and some writers strive to write to get it attention, or a bigger ego. Or whatever the reasons.

But you do have a point, this underdog crap has been beaten to death, I've been thinking, and, if the only way I could get an award, is because someone else was booted off for being 'popular' and was better than me, the award would be pointless. Though if the person was worse than me in writing, and got an award, I'd be just as insulted o_O

Think the popularity bit has been taken to the extremes, though Scrap, give it some time and everything should settle down again. Hopefully this is just a fad that'll go away.

Maybe people will rise up, like you Scrap, andtell it to all, that they have had enough of the popularity this, popularity that, and just rebel. Or do like me, avoid the awards all together. Or try too anyways.

and well, I probably came off as an ignoramous in this reply XD so .. I shall flee now.

*does so*
 
I agree... popularity is just a stupid idea. The Fanfiction forum isn't a Caste System people! You can become a respected writer, with your writing.

I'll admit, that I got my first review to my really crappy first fic, because I had made friends with another member before posting it. BUT... that was only one member, all other people who reviewed my work, reviewed it without any connections (indeed, I became friends with Scrap, from her harsh review on my first fic, which, I saw as a wake-up call: my fic sucked!)

I do notify some of my friends here, when I post poems, but thats because I value thier input. I don't think I was really labled as Popular author. But I was thought that it was stupid to divide people like that, and to claim conspiracy or some nonsense like that. I felt a bit disapointed when, after posting the results of the Summer Awards (which I worked hard on a lot, mind you!), they were dismissed as unfair and biased, people claming that people only won awards becuase they were 'popular' and there were accusations of 'You Scratch my back, I scratch yours' ideals.

And that made me feel kinda bad. Everyone was eager to see the winners, and I rushed to get the scores all together, and I had tried hard to improve upon the PokéOscars, and the yet, I get criticised for not having a more 'fair' system.

Well I had left the voting to everyone, everybody had an equal opportunity too vote for the 'underdog!'

Its true that there is popularity involved in those things, BUT popularity doesn't come without reason.
 

Kiyohime

Well-Known Member
Renegade, you were a mod? I assume of the Fanfiction section? If so, then you've seen firsthand what the drive for popularity does to writers.

Byzan, you're absolutely right, too. You could have hated my guts, (and probably did at first) but now we're swapping ideas, and you see the beauty of it? It's insane how the original purpose of your Awards got twisted into something else by teh results.
 

Eternal Daydreamer

Surrender to the Sea
I guess you have a point, Scrap. And the mention of the Caste System is brought up well. This culture of the forum is turning into a culture that uses it!

I remember my first review, it was from Klaus. Didn't ask him, didn't know him at the time. He complimented my originality and I posted the next chapter soon after. Next day I came on and clammyshazam! had totally flamed it! I didn't fight with him but accepted that it wasn't very good. It turned out he was in a bad mood at the time and was taking it out on me, I accepted that fact.

I suppose popularity will grow. You can't stop it. I for one, have a few reviewers so I'm not an underdog or a popular author. None of my stories have star ratings, either. So that's all I can say.
 

Yami Ryu

Well-Known Member
Renegade, you were a mod? I assume of the Fanfiction section? If so, then you've seen firsthand what the drive for popularity does to writers.

Yeah, most people would remember me as Yami Ryu, then Wing Zero, and Angelus.

yes I love to change my name a helluva lot. *coughs*

Yes, I have. I've seen some become attention *****s, some get their threads to turn into spam pits of well, hell, and the ilk to get people to review their fics. Then there were the blatant pluggers; 'wow your fic is cool, I like it very much, now read mine!'

And yeah, it just, is a horrible sight. Especially around award times. Hell, you know I just realised; as much as the people *****, moan, whine and grumble about popular authors winning everything.

Half of them are the voters or the nominators. When I participated in the last awards, I voted for my friends: not because they were my friends. Not because I would be the only ones voting for them, but because they actually wrote damn good stories, and no one else would see it but me, and a few others.

That went with the 'popular people' even though my friends were good writers too.

I think it's not about popularity. It's just a sheep mentality. I saw alot here, like in the last awards. And the awards before that. Mostly a handfull of people nominated, and voted for. Popularity was the cause, but it's the NOMINATORS own fault. Their repeat posts of 'Lily Pichu' 'Scrap' 'Dragonfree' 'etc' 'etc' made me realise now, and only now, that it doesn't matter what you do, because the majority, that are *****ing, seem to be the majority that voted/nominated you, and others, Scrap.

O__o the hypocricy scares little Renegade.

Edit: ZOMG the limboing stars have hit you too! *flees*
 
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Kiyohime

Well-Known Member
EXACTLY. Thank you, Renegade. oO

I got two awards, but Saber totally blew the Awards away. XD She deserved every award she got, and the really ironic thing is-- that was the first fanfiction she ever wrote. She is, technically, a beginner. XD
 
Was that a shot at me? With the bit about fairness? Dude, someone gave a one-star ratting without even justifing it. I would've left the thread alone if that guy reviewed it. I don't know where you get the idea, that five star ratings are what we require. I could care less, and it should be taken with a grain of salt. It means nothing in my opinon, but nonetheless, its unfair, for someone to just randomly give it a zero.

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You can have an opinon, just like I, but you have no right to bash the opinion of others. Or to generalize people for that matter.

Now, yes, I am angry and should calm down but well... I'm sick of uber authors and their constant whining.

And I'm sick of people complaining about some sort of Caste System they claim exists.
 
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Kiyohime

Well-Known Member
I don't actually use star ratings. :/ Back when I joined, I made a rant against them because they were abused. :p

Yes, my work is overhyped. Yes, I have a lot of readers, but they aren't exactly fanboys. You want fanboys, you check out Breezy's work. ;P

However, this isn't a complaint about having everyone worship me. This is a complaint about people who blow the issue out of proportion regarding popularity. Your post didn't address that. You simply addressed how much you hate me and Renegade. Hating me because of the responses my stories get rather than over something I've done to you personally is childish and illogical.

EDIT: Meh, this whole post was directed at Zerodius, but he's deleted his post. :p Ignore this whole thing.
 
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Yami Ryu

Well-Known Member
Scrap, I will now state bluntly why there are people who hate your guts (I am included in those who hates you, by the way).

Because that you are an UB3R G0D WH0 W3 SH0ULD W0R5H1P!!!1111!!

That's why we hate you.

o_O I have not seen Scrap act like that. I think you're just acting on the resentment of being an 'underdog' and not having anyone like your work, or what you write, or how you write. All you're doing here, is going off topic, and flaming Scrap.

Bad little user.

Bad.

Now, to reviewers like Renegade.

I despise you. I despise you to the very core. You flame the heck out of newbies and do not even give them the slightest hint of a chance and that, no matter how hard they try. You are NEVER satisfied and NEVER post positive criticism. You keep on flaming and flaming and flaming... and people don't ban you cuz' you're named "Renegade". I hate you. It is possible to state facts WITHOUT flaming. It is possible to post that little something calle "CONSTRUCTIVE" criticism.

No hun, it's because, unlike you, I don't flame, bash, go off topic, or hunt people down with HATE HATE HATE HATE like you do. I don't smash people's ideas, or claim they're something they aren't.

Infact if you were trying to get a rise out of me, here's the truth.

I laugh at you. Seriously.

You got a chuckle out of me Zerodius, because you are acting like a child throwing a tantrum.

If I never posted crit, if I never posted anything that is a real review, I would be banned. For even though I might be a former mod, I am now a regular user, and am not free from the rules. I must act like a good little person.

But that doesn't mean I need to hide the truth between smoke and illusions and allow people to think they are good, when infact they aren't.

So if you can't take the heat Zerodius, please, GTFO of the kitchen.

Edit: Though I'm not surprised, you doing this. You did go 'I jump the bandwagon and bash Zephyr Flare's opinion'. So please Zero, don't post unless you can stay, on topic.

And Scrap; if Saber did that, then kudos to her. My first fanfic is something to laugh at. Greatly XD
 
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Dilasc

Boip!
I know for a fact, that if I say anything at all that agrees with the 'popularity must end' aspect, I'll seriously look like the biggest hypocrite alive, since I have no doubt that I am one of the biggest contributors to this. I, am an entertainer, I write because there is a dramatic actor tugging at the strings to my spleen, esophagus, and my diaphraghm... to pose, to entertain, and to create epics that would make Shakespere cry home to his momma!

Without readers, there is no crowd to entertain. That is why I read other works in hopes of their reading... sure, the tips, the locating of a few errors here and there, and also the plot holes that need patching up are great too, but even those are tied to it in the end, since if they don't read, then I can't know. Yes, I too want to have my place in life. I seek my niche, my sense of belonging in the hearts and minds of total strangers as someone to be revered and respected. Let me ask this: Who doesn't? That is why I fight for the 'little man' whose story may or may be good, but is ignored.

Okay, so that may sound to make me not sound very interested in what someone writes. Not true! I can sound... erm, I mean, I can be very interested if it catches my eye, but I must say, I'm not much of a reader. Heck, I haven't read a paperback novel in years! I feel that using a book is almost plagurizing their style.

I'm not trying to push the good authors down, even though it'd make for an interesting (albiet guilt heavy) drama to see the mighty fall, but rather, I place the fault on the reader, NOT thw writer. It is up to the reader to read. In fact, should I ever GET 'popular' and top notch (HAHAHAHAHA! Maybe I'll win five lottery tickets while I'm at it,) I will suggest to my readers to go read a few other stories and not just get so wound up in mine alone (if I ever remember this, that is.)

What I'm not trying to do is rule the charts with an iron, dictatorial fist, I just want to entertain at all non-monetary costs! Heck, I try to let my story be known at every turn, but it's often unnoticed. That's why I say to readers, READ MORE STORIES, DANG IT!

Okay! Let me give my reason for this prospect that blames the reader instead of the writer. Let's take a look at some popular fics and the common review crew of that story. Now, I ask, how many other stories do they read. Sure, there's some that do read a lot, but I survey and stalk my prey... I mean, my potential readers, and or people I want to start reading other works in general.

Personally, I hate very few people here at these forums, or any for that matter. In fact, in my own awfully executed way, I wish to be noticed. Sure, this may sound like a lie, but deep down, I'm not really all that evil... at least not in that manner, anyway.

So long as a story is not a misspelled, grammatically puked up, cliched Maria Suzanna-fest, I would like to see people have an equal chance to get read or reviewed. That is, of course, a bit of a pie in the sky dream that would probably fall on my face in some creamy format for some slapstick result, with an audience laughing at it from some far away fourth wall I cannot see.

Now, I better go get my helmet, or I'll wind up with pie on my face! I'll have to admit, now that my innocent plans to simply spread the word of everyone have gone from push to shove, I must sincerely appologize. I really am starting to hope that things will change for the better, no matter what anyone may think of me. I'm just trying to stand up for the little man, but now I see that in the end, we are all little people. From you, to me, to aliens three billion lightyears away. We are all the little guy, trying to climb the ladder to greatness, but as we climb, the competition will try to push his foes and enemies off the ladder just to get ahead for his own benefit. It's time that this came to an end! NOW!
 

Eternal Daydreamer

Surrender to the Sea
Zerodious, get out of the kitchen. Seriously. (Yes, I'm agreeing with you, almighty Renegade. No that isn't sarcasm either. I would die for someone of your stature to notice my fics.)

Zerodious, couldn't you say something that was on topic? Could you? Couldn't you?????!!!!!! :calms down: I cannot handle rudeness, which I count this as rude. Bluntness like Renegade's at the beginning is alright, she's not rude. A little blunt, perhaps but not rude. At the begining, anyways.
 

Saffire Persian

Now you see me...
Popularity - it's quite the double-edged sword, isn't it.

In my opinion, people complain about writers' popularity here for no apparent or understandable reason. Writers become popular because of their writing, and the reviewers/readers,etc. that make it so. People complain about the fact they're popular, yet they forget about the fact it was people like them who made them that way..

XD Find it rather ironic. But the thing is, all the popular authors, you..Saber..whoever I can think of around here deserve the attention they get. There's a reason you guys are popular, you write good stuff, dangit. 0_o...

But in any case, it's wrong to discriminate because of that - for example... anyone here going to get mad at J.K. Rowling because she's popular? .. That is just stupid, you know? I'm sure people have, but still, remind yourselves: who read her books and made her popular.. oy.

And Zerodius.. your points have no back up whatsoever... when you want to create a debate, do so in a manner that doesn't make you look like a complete fool of yourself.. Then maybe - maybe we'll decide to listen to you. ^^
 

billy5772

SENIOR
Eh. If people stop being silly like this, what will there be to satirize/make fun of in The Drama of Serebii??

I understand how some people might get frustrated when they don't get enough attention, but I think that's the time when you need to step back and evaluate the gravity of the situation. I don't know about everyone else, so I won't speak for them,

-Everyone Else: Good. -

but I know why I write: because i have an overactive imagination that needs an outlet. That's about as deep as it goes with me. Of course, I'd like to entertain as many people as possible with the fruits of my labor, but if I end up only entertaining one or two people, it's still sufficiently satisfying to me. And that's what it's all about; being satisfied with what you've created and how it's affected the people it's been exposed to. I'm not hard to please when it comes to reviews and such, but some people just need a LOT of attention, and when they don't get it, they lash out at those that do if solely out of jealousy. And come on, it's only natural that someone would feel jealous after they see others succeeding in their passtime when they're failing.

Wtvr, I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. [my original sig]

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I write because there is a dramatic actor tugging at the strings to my spleen, esophagus, and my diaphraghm

Hey, you tell that creep that NO MEANS NO!
 
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Lady Myuu

Damsel mostly Stressed.
note that I can't really say anything I wish I could say because of my status at this moment.


Zerodius, you are completly off topic and out of line with your post. Please be respectful of other members and do not bash. Your jealousy is as plain as like a man walking around a glass house in his underwear.

~*~

on topic: ... this is like what? the third </3 for popularity? Yes we want to be humble and its nice of you to state that but then again I think everyone is taking this a bit farther then it really is.

But I must admit, the way you wrote that makes me feel better, as I havn't really ever gotten the attention I wanted and have felt like I am under the shadow of other more yes I am going to say it 'popular' authors. Because people will read fics other people say are good, being popular means that you are respected and beloved for your work.

I am also glad that these 'popular' authors of these forums can be humble with there work. It is a good sign of maturity and those who are mature when they write and are respectful and humble will recieve what they deserve.

Now I know that this isn't always true as it does take time, as Scrap said seven years! wow! most authors have worked hard at what they do and as time goes on they recieve what they deserve.

But in the end, they are still people just like everyone else and they do what htey do because they love it. Not totally for attention (though that has its own place as well)

If we writers respected each other a little more, helped and enoureged one another some and never looked down on any idea but suggest newer and better ideas...

well, this place would be seen in a better light and not be hacked into the 'underdogs' and the 'popular'

then there are those who go around hating everything...

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I ramble.


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Zero... just...
wow. -_- why do I think you really don't know what Scrap is trying to say do you? do you know what humbleness even is... no no I'm done.. or am I...

Zerodius(sp) I consider myself an underdog when it comes to fanfics and I respect and look up to the 'uber' authors as you call them. You don't get the respect you seem to be seeking because all you do is hate.

double edit: sometimes... I wonder what I even write when I ramble... *pokes her own post* wow I'm so weird.
 
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Eternal Daydreamer

Surrender to the Sea
I don't think you even know what humbleness is, Zerodious. Are you Violet Bearegaurde's long lost brother or something? (Bad joke, since Violet is a metaphore for the sin Pride. For those who don't know who she is, she's the blueberry girl. That ought to clear things up.)

Other than that, I agree with everything that everyone except Zerodious posted.
 

Kiyohime

Well-Known Member
There's a certain degree of decorum with which well-known authors here are expected to handle ourselves. As common sense and manners dictate, you cannot flaunt your popularity, but at the same time, it seems too falsely humble to try and pretend we don't know we aren't popular. It's a tricky seesaw for sure, and Saffire put it the best-- it's a double edged sword. Handle with care. xP
 

Quackerdrill

say yes to love
Whooooooaaaaa... slow down, guys. let's all take a deep breath and stop for a moment. Think about why you're here, why you use your free time to write for others to enjoy. Enjoy. Note I didn't say to earn a good rep, or to be "popular"... I said that you write because it is fun, and you love making people happy.

If that's not why you're here, then I would leave the "kitchen" before it's too late.

I think some of you are missing the point- Scrap is just a writer who happens to have a distinct style that many love. Members read her work because it is wonderfully written (and to my common knowledge, not cliched and illogical... XD). If we all would just focus on writing and reading instead of going crazy about number of reviews and awards, this would be a peaceful place, like when I joined here a year ago. Well, sorta. >_<; But you get the idea.

"Popularity", or to lighten the term to a more accurate one, "Having people read and appreciate your Fic", should not be a priority. It is, however, a perk. I did not ask anyone to review my newest fic. I was just patient, and some people volunteered. Some even surprised me.

Hear that?

Patient. I believe that this is something that some of us have a problem with.

So the bottom line here is that fun should come first on here, "popularity" second. And if you think there's no fun in not being reviewed, just be patient. Someone will find your work someday. Your day will come. Trust me. ^_^ Complaining will just lengthen the period. Take it from someone who's been there...
 

Klaus

TOMATO BERRY!
I joined this forum about a year ago and I joined just to publish my fics. It took a week for my first fic to get reviewed. I'd been writing for six years(started when I was eleven) but i'm not that popular, i'm about middle. I've attacted quite a few unique authors(Typhlogirl,xXSaberXx,Sike Saner, La Charlotte) and i'm satisfied with those guys. I would rather have some deticated readers who read my stories cause they want too and stick around to see what happens. You get readers that read it once and never come back. So, I feel like i'm growing cause xXSaberXx and Typhlogirl both help me with grammer. Back when I started, I killed the english language but with their help i'm gaining more and more skills. So, yes, I would faint if I ever got a review from some of the greater one but even if I don't, I know that the ones who read mine are really into my story and wont to find out about. But I do agree that some people don't give some fics a chance.

I guess typed enough,lol.

Sincearly Klaus

As always, be kind to the mime.;122;
 

billy5772

SENIOR
And it's not humbleness, it's humility. But I, too, appreciate that the popular (why is everyone putting that in quotes?) authors aren't really big-headed or anything. Well...never mind. That'd make a good chapter...
 
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