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A Restoration Confrontation! (Part 2) (737

Discussion in 'Pokémon Black & White - Rival Destinies' started by Serebii, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    This episode was useless because it lead to nothing.

    All these events that happened in previous episode, collections stones and energy - everything so we could get THIS? I thought it would turn out to be a piece of a larger plot but yet again - we got another two-parter which changed completely nothing.

    Nothing changed and that's what bothers me the most.
     
  2. Grey Wind

    Grey Wind Only rescues maidens

    My god, will you get over yourself with Team Rocket and Trip. Not everything is some veiled jab at them.

    It was boring because nothing happend. The plot started forty episodes ago and we got this at the end. The first episode was pretty much just talking and back-story, and then Tirtuoga ran off. Then there was more talking, until we reached the climax battle, which was nothing exceptional as it was really just the same old Team Rocket battle that we've seen since the second episode (well at least it was sort of a tag battle). The whole two-parter just felt very lacklustre and boring for something that had started so long ago.

    People have opinions on episodes, and if you found this exciting, great, post about it here and what not. But there's not need to leap to the defence of the episodes if people found these boring. It's not like the claims are completely wrong or anything (a la after Iris won the don tournament).
     
  3. AgentPierce

    AgentPierce Mad science FTW!

    You honestly expect some big, status-quo shaking change in the Pokemon anime? Sorry, it's not going to happen.

    Yes, all the events were leading to this. Nothing was ever going to change afterward and I'm shocked people actually thought they were.

    And how do you know it ISN'T a piece of a larger plot? Just because Team Rocket failed doesn't mean this won't come up again later or something will come out of it. Ash has met Dr. Zager now, that could be followed up on. And Zager's helicopter is damaged, that could mean something for Team Rocket. You just have to be patient.

    In this fandom? Yes, it often is.

    Seriously, if this kind of story happened with Pokemon Hunter J or Team Galactic playing the villain back in D/P, I doubt people would complain. But with BW Team Rocket, it's all "boring!" and "nothing changed!" and "this is just the same old stuff" (all of which Team Rocket had certainly not fallen into prior to BW, right? -_-)

    1. Unless you speak Japanese, you have no idea what all the talking was about. How can you judge it boring or not? It could be, sure, but we don't know until we have subs.

    2. This sounds more like the problem is the unreasonable expectations of fans. What did they expect to happen; Team Rocket to win and get a prehistoric army? Get real!

    3. It's not as if this was continually built up after it started in Episode 39, as we had the Nimbasa Subway / Meowth arc AND the Milos Island / Kami Trio arc in between the starting point for the build-up and it's continuation at Chargestone Cave in Episode 64. Until then, most people had actually forgotten about it! It shouldn't be that much of a let-down.
     
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  4. Janovy

    Janovy Banned

    I was expecting something, even something little. I was expecting a small scene after the end of the episode (when Ash and co. depart and then the scene shifts to Team Rocket foreshadowing their next plan). I was expecting SOMETHING!

    But I didn't get anything and that's disappointing overall. Am I supposed to enjoy these disconnected plots where we all know the outcome?

    Even I can only be patient for the certain amount of time.


    *sigh*

    A disappointing two-parter. I guess I'll just wait for Team Plasma now ...
     
  5. Lorde

    Lorde Banned

    I'm glad someone else agrees. I didn't watch the episode, but I could tell just by looking at the pictures that it was a complete waste of time. Like I said a million times in the official thread, Team Rocket is redundant; we could have had the same type of episode, or maybe even something better, without them. They managed to open the portal to the past, but like I expected, it didn't really matter because their plan failed in the end. Nothing happened except that a COTD's Pokemon evolved. If I had to rate this episode, I would give it a 1 out of 10, which is the lowest score I've ever given to an episode.
     
  6. gliscor&yanmega

    gliscor&yanmega Well-Known Member

    Personally, this episode and the other one look fine to me, I haven't actually watched them but I've seen the pictures. I'll have to watch the episodes and know what's being said to really know how I feel about these episodes but from the pictures I know I'm going to enjoy them to some degree.

    I enjoy the Team Rocket two partners since I enjoy seeing Team Rocket.

    Regardless if an evolution/capture/new move is learned/whatever doesn't happen in an episodes I'm not going to hate on it or find it boring or anything, there's more to episodes then those things.

    As it is, Pokemon has different types of episodes; comedic, action, and adventuress to be the most common ones, so long as I find an episode funny or action pack or adventuress then I'm satisfied with whatever was shown. I don't think these episodes were meant to be really comedic(The two parters never really were), but they had action and some adventure so it's fine by me.

    I don't think I'm going to love these episodes or anything but I'm sure I'll enjoy it and wont have any harsh comments to say.
     
  7. AgentPierce

    AgentPierce Mad science FTW!

    The outcome's always obvious, it's all that happens before it that I enjoy.

    And again, we have no idea if these plots are going to remain disconnected, as we have no idea what Team Rocket will do in the future or how they'll be wrapped up at the end of BW. Nobody expected the Dream Energy gathered for the Meteonite mission to come back into play, but it did. Hell, nobody really expected Dr. Zager, introduced toward the end of the Meteonite mission, to have such an increased role, but he has. Things that transpired here just might be referenced or have bearing in the future, we just have to wait and see.

    Right, and they clearly were not at all redundant in the hundreds and hundreds of episodes before they became serious and stopped appearing regularly.

    THANK YOU. Finally, someone GETS it. I'm sick of fans thinking episodes have to play out like a Let's Play of the Pokemon games, where a Pokemon gets captured or levels up or evolves or something. Sometimes, it's nice to see a cartoon be a freaking cartoon and have a good action/adventure story like this one (or a comedic one, like some derided "fillers".)
     
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  8. thunderblade12

    thunderblade12 Well-Known Member

    Its because this seriously didn't need to be a two-parter. All it was is another Team Rocket-centric filler that we've been accustomed to since Johto.

    Formula:
    1. Team Rocket have a plan to steal pokemon X for reason Y - Ash and co. conveniently meet Pokemon X (and sometimes its trainer also)
    2. Team Rocket make up some devious plan to capture pokemon X that fails
    3. They then have to resort to taking it by force and show how pathetically weak their pokemon are compared to the main group's
    4. Pokemon X aids in preventing its capture somehow and the battle ends most often with a Thunderbolt from Pikachu
    5. Happy ending for Pokemon X
     
  9. Shneak

    Shneak totem lurantis is the hardest boss

    The thing that bugs me is that they were once again sooo close to succeeding.

    But people are being way too harsh. There are fillers that have less in them than this episode. Gym Battle and Contest losses could also be called redundant.
     
  10. Spider-Phoenix

    Spider-Phoenix Go, Go Power Rangers

    I'm amazed with how sudden a fossil pokemon can get an evolution. It has to be something in the water lol

    As for the episode: not so bad... but not so good. This entire arc felt a bit... weak when compared to the previous ones. The episode itself was fine, but didn't convince me as a two parter.

    As for the bright side, I did enjoy the double battle against Team Rocket and the ending was nice.
     
  11. AgentPierce

    AgentPierce Mad science FTW!

    True, but again, this is a kids show. The most we'll get is the villains winning in all the build-up to the big events, but even if they come close, they'll fail in the big event themselves. That's what happened here with Team Rocket (succeeded in stealing the date of the fossil revival machine in BW39 and succeeded in getting away with rocks of Chargestone Cave in BW64, but ultimately failed in this two-parter). It's happened with other villains in the past too, like Team Galactic (success up to a point, but then ultimate failure.)

    First off, in what way was this comedic? Seriously?

    Secondly, I'm going to deconstruct this:

    1. Team Rocket's plan was partially to REVIVE the Pokemon; Ash and co. never would have met it if TR hadn't taken action first.
    2. Except their plan did NOT fail; they revived the Pokemon and the Door of Time was opened exactly as they'd planned.
    3. They already HAD the Pokemon when they battle Ash and co., and their Pokemon put up a heck of a fight and weren't "pathetically weak".
    4. This is the only one you got right, but again, this is the Pokemon anime. You ought to be expecting things like this.
    5. Happy ending? Carracosta had to go back to it's own time and seperated forever from it's human friend. That's bittersweet, but not happy.

    So yeah, only ONE part of that formula holds true to this two-parter.

    And again, you think one episode could effictively establish the CotD and Pokemon, tell their backstory, have Ash meet Dr. Zager, have past TR appearances fully explained and tied in to this, have the Pokemon in question revived, have a big battle, have a complicated process like opening the Door of Time take place, and be wrapped up in a satisfying manner?

    I assume it might have been near ready to evolve before it got fossilized, and just picked up where it left off once it got revived.
     
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  12. Quagsireking

    Quagsireking I am the king!

    The thing that bugs me about this episode is the returning of caracosta to the past. Do they know what horrible effects on the time stream that could have?

    That be like replacing a younger you (like a few years old) and replace it with the you from now.
     
  13. Lorde

    Lorde Banned

    The thing that bugged me was the fact that the episode summary mentioned that we were gonna get a huge battle in this episode, but it never came to pass. All we got was the usual Team Rocket battle where they lose and Ash and friends rejoice. The writers are clearly running out of ideas if they've resorted to giving us two-parters where nothing happens.
     
  14. AgentPierce

    AgentPierce Mad science FTW!

    Overexaggerated descriptions, embelishments and hype happen all the time in episode summaries. It's your fault for believing "huge battle" meant something special.

    Except for, you know, all the stuff that DID happen (wrapping up loose ends from EP39 and EP64, Ash meeting Zager, Tirtouga being revived and evolving into Carracosta, and IMHO a damn good battle that everyone is dismissing just because it was against Team Rocket, ignoring completely how skilled they were here.)

    And I find it funny you're accusing the writers of "running out of ideas" NOW when the past decade or so, the anime has featured a repetitive formula.
     
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  15. Dephender

    Dephender Gizakawayusu Staff Member Moderator

    I speak Japanese, understood the dialogue, and can vouch for the fact that it was indeed hideously boring.

    I actively dislike very few episodes of this series, and find a lot of the episodes people tend to bring up as examples of "terrible episodes that almost ruined the series" or whatever to be highly entertaining (come on, how can people dislike that Wooper filler from Jouto? It's hilarious).
    I'll join the crowd on this one, though - it was a completely standard "steal-the-Pokemon" Rocket plot that got dragged out over two episodes with a whole ton of unnecessarily long exposition. Bland characters, bland action, no funny scenes (this is BW, so there weren't even any Rocket antics to liven things up) , predictable, stretched-out plot that didn't really amount to much... honestly, what was there TO like? Part 2 had some slightly ok action scenes, but part 1 is seriously one of, if not THE, worst Pokemon episode I've ever seen.
     
  16. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    The Wooper episode was pretty boring, Adamant.
     
  17. AgentPierce

    AgentPierce Mad science FTW!

    Remind me: how is it "standard" for Team Rocket to try and nearly succeed in half-KILLING a Pokemon in order to open up a way to obtain more Pokemon?

    But this isn't Part 1 everyone's complaining about, it's Part 2, just because they were expecting much more of the episode for no good reason.
     
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  18. Dephender

    Dephender Gizakawayusu Staff Member Moderator

    Minor detail. Doesn't make the rest of it less standard.
     
  19. JennaJayfeather

    JennaJayfeather jflkdjkfgjafgaf

    ^^;

    Let's all remember this is Pokemon we're watching...not something with deep plots.

    I saw the pictures. It wasn't so bad. It was cute :rolleyes:
     
  20. AgentPierce

    AgentPierce Mad science FTW!

    Minor detail? Tell that to Carracosta! XD

    But seriously, what did you expect Team Rocket to do? They've been primarily Pokemon thieves again ever since Giovanni went AWOL.

    Competant and backed by Dr. Zager's resources, but thieves nonetheless.

    The Tirtouga/Carracosta parts at the start and end were cute, yes.

    The rest was pretty serious and intense. I wonder if that's what everyone's claiming to be boring.

    Makes me wonder if when the Team Rocket vs. Team Plasma two-parter finally DOES air (this summer?), it'll get derided for being boring due to how serious in tone it is.
     
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