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A Super-Electromagnetic Hyper Class Battle! (1166)

Deitylight

Legendary Trainer
The anime is once again not obeying how abilities work in the game but on the flip side in USUM, its shown that Pokemon with such abilities have a limit on how much they can take as shown with game Sophocles's Togedemaru and since they're doing 1:1 to the games and we know how absurdly powerful the Z move is, it suddenly isn't the most bs thing in the anime.
 

Evstike

Well-Known Member
I wonder if the animation issues were due to this battle being a 3v3. More different characters means less reused animation. I also noticed a lot of new BANK animation compared to Iwane's previous episodes which reused a lot from the Visquez battle. I remember Iwane saying in an interview that he has a quota for the amount of drawings he can use and he's not supposed to go above or too far below that amount. The issue is most likely due to the higher ups.
 

Almighty Zard

He has returned.
So my question is who is strong is current Cynthia compared to Raihan and Lance?
Do you guys think she's stronger or weaker than them?

this is a situation where i would need to see them fight to get a clear indicator of where she stands.

The anime is once again not obeying how abilities work in the game but on the flip side in USUM, its shown that Pokemon with such abilities have a limit on how much they can take as shown with game Sophocles's Togedemaru and since they're doing 1:1 to the games and we know how absurdly powerful the Z move is, it suddenly isn't the most bs thing in the anime.

if the anime was that comparable to the games, pokemon wouldn't be dodging moves. since that's not a thing outside of using moves like Double Team

If anyone has seen SM and saw what that attack was capable of doing, then it's not exactly hard to register that it could override Electivire's Motor Drive all things considered.
 

Decidueye23

Well-Known Member
Geez, they immediately rushed Volkner's battle out of the door with almost no buildup. I don't think they have ever done this before. While that did make the battle last longer, it hurts giving Volkner any sort of introduction for anyone new seeing him here. He's just "I'm ranked higher than you, As. Oh, and do you remember your Suicide Mountain?" and that's it.

Gengar was screwed just so Lucario could shine brighter.

ALL HAIL ASH THE UNBEATABLE TRAINER.

...Or not. Cynthia is here. We didn't need to know Ash's league crusher...or everyone's league crusher ahead of time.
Lucario tieing with luxray was due to Gengar. So it disnt totally job here. It did quite well against luxray.
 

mehmeh1

I don't feel safe!
If anyone has seen SM and saw what that attack was capable of doing, then it's not exactly hard to register that it could override Electivire's Motor Drive all things considered.
it's not nonsensical, just kinda feels too brute force-y
 

Mew2

Team Rocket's Enemy
this is a situation where i would need to see them fight to get a clear indicator of where she stands.



if the anime was that comparable to the games, pokemon wouldn't be dodging moves. since that's not a thing outside of using moves like Double Team

If anyone has seen SM and saw what that attack was capable of doing, then it's not exactly hard to register that it could override Electivire's Motor Drive all things considered.
I'd say she's stronger. I have nothing to base this on except for the fact that BD/SP is coming out in a few months but since it is, I can easily see her being Leon's equal in a 6-on-6 match. In a 1-on-1 Dynamax/Gigantamax battle, I think Leon would definitely win, though in a closer match than one would expect. In a 6-on-6 battle without Dynamax/Gigantamax, I see Cynthia pulling out the win with difficulty. In a 6-on-6 with Dynamax/Gigantamax battle, I see it ending in a tie. That way, neither Cynthia nor Leon looks bad. BD/SP is represented well via its Champion and Leon is not shoved aside for the newest series of games. In addition, such a scenario allows Leon to still be Ash's ultimate goal for Journeys while allowing Cynthia, or a potential future Champion from either Gen 9, a past Generatiion (like Steven or a potential appearance by Leaf representing Kanto (please let this happen)), or both, to be the ones to show that while Ash has come a very long way, there's always a stronger trainer out there if he does want to become the strongest (which is not yet a stated prerequisite for becoming a Pokémon Master).
 
if the anime was that comparable to the games, pokemon wouldn't be dodging moves. since that's not a thing outside of using moves like Double Team
It's so funny how this move's number does not represent the number of fakes that get created.

They may as well pretend they're the ones who gave Naruto the idea of cloning himself hundreds of times within seconds.
 

Eneci

FrogadierMasterLucas
The battle overall was okay, would‘ve enjoyed it more if Volkner used more different/new pokes. It had some neat noments, but it felt cheapened by Ash using a Z move to win, as Volkner hadn‘t an equivalent to it.
Hoping for another PWC battle soon.
 
Lucario tieing with luxray was due to Gengar. So it disnt totally job here. It did quite well against luxray.
Gengar is still used as a sacrificial lamb (ironically since it's a dead Pokemon anyway) so other teammates can shine better. It looks like it is not allowed to get a win. It's perhaps an even worse Noivern who actually has the time to...

Oh wait, it's a Torkoal.
 

masdog

The good old days weren’t always good…
I really enjoyed this battle, and I’m looking forward to rewatching it when the better subs come out.. I thought that Volkner was a great opponent with a great strategy that challenged Ash, and I loved the call backs to DP and SM. I also liked the amount of switching, which is something we usually don’t see. I thought this made the battle more exciting.

Unpopular opinions:
Gengar did not job. He was instrumental in setting up Luxray’s fall to Lucario
Using a Z-Move was not cheap. This is the Hyper/Ultra class, and Ash should be bringing everything he has acquired and learned on his journey.
 

Martinat388

I like water types
I haven't been watching journeys that much recently, however I watched this episode.
I feel like the battle was pretty good, especially for the first 3v3 of journeys.
While I wish Gengar knocked out Rotom fan and Lucario knocked out Luxray, the way they did it works too.
The cameos of Bea and Raihan were nice too, I hope we get another episode with Bea before they clash though, so that she actually feels like a rival
 

Jiffunk

Well-Known Member
if ash battles cynthia and wins, who will be the one to defeat garchomp? because if it's pikachu and we get a finale with charizard vs pikachu with the battle against leon then............
 
if ash battles cynthia and wins, who will be the one to defeat garchomp? because if it's pikachu and we get a finale with charizard vs pikachu with the battle against leon then............
Whoever he uses, I can tell you that it will be very undeserved if it's someone in his Journeys team.
 

KenzeyEevee

Some ppl have the insight of a Magikarp
So Lucario just shook if off, the paralysis?
And Pikachu just overpowered Motor Drive?
 

AznKei

Dawn & Chloe by ddangbi
The whole episode is focused about Ash vs Volkner battle inside a gym.

This battle has some interesting strategies but I thought it was more grounded, in a way that Pokemons are just standing there and taking hits. In fact, the most dynamic thing I saw in this battle was the Pikachu & Electivire Iron Tail clashes.

Some KOs are kinda hilarious like Gengar "I'm fine...no I ain't!" expression and Luxray & Lucario "resting" on each other.

Volkner is sure a tough trainer. I wondered how the battle would be if Ash didn't have the Z-ring. And yeah, there's plot armor especially with the amount of hits Pikachu & Lucario took compared to Gengar. Rotom is pretty cool because it's tiny and mobile compared to Luxray & Electivire which are tanks.

Nice Cynthia's cameo. It would be great to see her battle against Leon instead of Ash.

Ok episode, not so impressive battle choreography but the strategies are there.
 

SerGoldenhandtheJust

Legends Arceus shall be a masterpiece
Well, you cant blame people for giving importance to Animation... in an ANIME...
Its a visual medium, if its just the story that mattered, might as well read a book. Animation and movies are more about how you present what you want to say rather than just saying it. Which is why demon slayer, depsite not having a great story ( i mean personally i feel its much better than standard anime like DBZ, One Piece, and Naruto, where the main character just wants to be the best) works so well. Its emotion plus god tier animation.
That's fair, my point is that I feel it's given too much importance over the other aspects that if the animation aspect is a bit lacking but the others are top tier, it is often not seen as admirably as the opposite.
I would say she is number 2. Leon will remain Ash's final goal
Lance is confirmed to be No. 2 tho
 
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