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A Super-Electromagnetic Hyper Class Battle! (1166)

Spider-Phoenix

#ChespinGang
Well, you cant blame people for giving importance to Animation... in an ANIME...
Its a visual medium, if its just the story that mattered, might as well read a book. Animation and movies are more about how you present what you want to say rather than just saying it. Which is why demon slayer, depsite not having a great story ( i mean personally i feel its much better than standard anime like DBZ, One Piece, and Naruto, where the main character just wants to be the best) works so well. Its emotion plus god tier animation.
I dunno, I think Demon Slayer has a very solid story. The animation was fairly loyal aside from a few expansions here and there (more noticeable with all those flashbacks during the Rui arc).

Basically, the animation's main merit is doing a good job on portraying everything that was there already.
So Lucario just shook if off, the paralysis?
Ash maxed his happiness. At least it's a game mechanic being used :p
 

DragonKahuna

Well-Known Member
Volkner is one of the best opponents Ash has ever battled. He showed a battling style made of skills, amazing game mechanic adaptions and intelligent strategy. While the battle was slightly lower than 10/10, I still got hyped while watching Volkner battling in such an amazing way.
In battles in general, Ash is the one who gets the praise for his strategies and having Volkner battle like today, certainly gives me hope that the rest of the PWC battles will hopefully be even more impressing.

And Cynthia FTW!!!
 

ShadowForce720

Well-Known Member
Ranking can change though. Thats the advantage of PWC
At this point there is no real reason to think that Lance won’t still be #2 when Ash gets into the Master 8 until it’s confirmed otherwise.

The difference between the Master 8 and the other classes is that it is harder to progress through the ranks of the Master 8 because of the skill level of all the trainers there.

If I had to guess Cynthia is probably rank 3 or 4.
 

DragonKahuna

Well-Known Member
At this point there is no real reason to think that Lance won’t still be #2 when Ash gets into the Master 8 until it’s confirmed otherwise.

The difference between the Master 8 and the other classes is that it is harder to progress through the ranks of the Master 8 because of the skill level of all the trainers there.

If I had to guess Cynthia is probably rank 3 or 4.

I agree about Cynthia being #3 or #4.

Actually, I would kind of expect a somewhat-important-to-the-plot Gen 8 character to be #3 and Cynthia could be #4. Anything lower than 4 is too low for Cynthia.
 

Chano

Active Member
Literally just created this account to post this here.


Molayne: "Togedemaru's Ability is Lightning Rod. It can attract electricity to itself. But...the current is too strong! There's no way Togedemaru's electric sacs can handle all of it!"
That's pretty much what happened in this episode.
10MVTB defeating Electivire makes perfect sense.
 
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CupidKirby

Well-Known Member
The first like 70% of this fight was absolutely amazing. I could feel the tension from Ash getting overwhelmed by tactic after tactic that Volkner threw at him. The last 30% after Lucario beat Rotom Fan felt rushed though. Then when Pikachu used 10,000,000 volt thunderbolt all the way until the end was fantastic. It's a shame that we didn't get that Sun and Moon OST but oh well. I'd give this episode a solid 8/10.

I think it's really obvious who started watching Pokemon during XY/Z or SM. They're the ones complaining about how this fight can't function with its animation. I remember the good old days of BW / DP / Johto / OS animation-- I mean moving still frames ;) Journeys animation overall hasn't been bad. It just hasn't been a masterpiece of sakuga like some of those XY/Z and SM episodes. Journeys has pretty standard "aight" animation of 2021 anime.

*sighs* at this point idc anymore about it. There wasnt alot of strategy in this battle
What are you talking about? There was tons of strategy.

Thunderwave + Hex

Paralyzation from Thunder Punch + Hex

Predicting the Thunderbolt from Pikachu and switching out so Electivire can get the Motor Drive boost

Reversal at low HP

Electroweb to slow down Rotom Fan

Electric Terrain + Wild Charge

Given it's not the type of strategy that we're used to seeing in the anime with Pikachu spin countering or running on top of roll out but it's still strategy. I'd say this episode showed off more of the type of strategy that people would use in the game rather than the anime. I wish we could've seen more from Ash but Volkner was a whole mystery box of them.
 

Dragonsoldier77

Well-Known Member
I think it's really obvious who started watching Pokemon during XY/Z or SM. They're the ones complaining about how this fight can't function with its animation. I remember the good old days of BW / DP / Johto / OS animation-- I mean moving still frames ;) Journeys animation overall hasn't been bad. It just hasn't been a masterpiece of sakuga like some of those XY/Z and SM episodes. Journeys has pretty standard "aight" animation of 2021 anime.


What are you talking about? There was tons of strategy.

Thunderwave + Hex

Paralyzation from Thunder Punch + Hex

Predicting the Thunderbolt from Pikachu and switching out so Electivire can get the Motor Drive boost

Reversal at low HP

Electroweb to slow down Rotom Fan

Electric Terrain + Wild Charge

Given it's not the type of strategy that we're used to seeing in the anime with Pikachu spin countering or running on top of roll out but it's still strategy. I'd say this episode showed off more of the type of strategy that people would use in the game rather than the anime. I wish we could've seen more from Ash but Volkner was a whole mystery box of them.

Gee, way to paint with broad strokes. I guess i must've imagined my childhood in the 90s then.

As for the strategy thing, quite a few people were discussing it in the context of ash. Look at that list you made yourself, it's virtually all from volkner. Reversal at low health can't even be called strategy, more like desperation. Ash usually counters the opponents strategy with his own clever ones, but this time he definitely just brute forced it.
 

Chano

Active Member
Ah yes, Togedemaru, well-known for powering entire cities - must've missed that lore drop somewhere along the line, silly me

Also Motor Drive =/= Lightning Rod
Togedemaru and Electivire are not the same, but a simple Vikavolt machine and literally the strongest move ever seen in the anime are not the same things either. The point of my post is that there's canonically a limited amount of electricity a Pokémon can absorb, doesn't matter if it's Motor Drive, Lightning Rod or Volt Absorb
 

AJ97

Well-Known Member
Volkner is one of the best opponents Ash has ever battled. He showed a battling style made of skills, amazing game mechanic adaptions and intelligent strategy. While the battle was slightly lower than 10/10, I still got hyped while watching Volkner battling in such an amazing way.
In battles in general, Ash is the one who gets the praise for his strategies and having Volkner battle like today, certainly gives me hope that the rest of the PWC battles will hopefully be even more impressing.

And Cynthia FTW!!!
Finally, someone who also sees it the same way as I do. Personally, I found this battle really Amazing and arguably even one of Ash's best battles to date. The constant switching in between, Volkner displaying a lot of technical skills (From an anime stand point), and initially dominating the battle and there was also the right mix of the power of friendship plot bit towards the end with Pikachu overpowering Electivire with the Z-Move. Personally, a top 5 battle to date for me.

I agree about Cynthia being #3 or #4.

Actually, I would kind of expect a somewhat-important-to-the-plot Gen 8 character to be #3 and Cynthia could be #4. Anything lower than 4 is too low for Cynthia.
I don't think the rank necessarily corresponds to skills. Maybe Cynthia could've simply joined the tournament a little late which corresponds to her being lower ranked. I mean, Iris is a Regional Champion and she was in the Super Class.
 

Almighty Zard

He has returned.
Ah yes, Togedemaru, well-known for powering entire cities - must've missed that lore drop somewhere along the line, silly me

Also Motor Drive =/= Lightning Rod

Pokedex entries are known to be exaggerated at times, cause have we ever seen a normal machamp move a mountain with 1 hand?

The point from the video is still valid enough though, electivire couldn't absorb all that power being thrown at it.

considering that Pikachu destroyed a giant rock golem along with the legendary that summoned it, I would've been surprised honestly if Electivire did survive the attack.

I get that people aren't happy about it being another game violation, but unless you skipped SM, you must've seen and known of the power of destruction that move is capable of, it was just too much for electivire to handle, and that is why it lost plain and simple.
 

Soniman

Break the Limit
Finally sat down and watched this, was mostly satisfied with how things played out. Yeah Ash mostly relied on his guts and instinct to win here but I don't have to much of an issue with it here because Volkner was always keeping him on his toes with the constant counters and switching (GOD I missed smart switching). Loved how he baited Ash into a thunderbolt before switching in Electivire to get the motor drive ability that's so smart and cool. Loved the atmosphere it felt so intense and grand and the finale was really good, really enjoyed the idea of Ash meeting this Electric type gym leader on the battlefield with their strongest electric move, I always appreciate that kind of "battle language" when used.

Only parts I didn't super care for was that quick Lucsrio/Luxray double knockout and Gengar getting the shsft, BUT Gengar managed to do a real good job before going down at the very least

So yah a really good introduction to the Hyper Class and probably my favorite JN battle, here's hoping they can keep up the momentum
 

British Soul

Top Hat Regulator
Not an essay time.
First of all, such a missed opportunity not having Flint not being present to watch the battle from the stands given he watched the previous battle between Ash/Volkner 517 episodes ago. Though I will say I'm not surprised Sunyshore Gym was completely revamped (Cerulean Gym was the same in SM), at least the seating area is the same colour as it was in DP, to be fair, the gym kinda needed to be repaired anyway after what Infernape did to it whilst under Blaze. Speaking of, when Volkner said that not much bewilders Luxray, my immediate thought was "Like Infernape under Blaze?". One thing I will say is that this is the first time I have seen the move Rising Voltage. When it was used, I was like "What the smeg is that move?" then I looked it up and it made sense why I had never seen it as it's an Isle of Armour move, but it showed strategy given that the move is 140 power under Electric Terrain and for the most part, strategy played a big part of the battle between Hex, Reversal, Volkner switching to Electivire against Pikachu, etc and it made the match enjoyable, even if it got rushed towards the end. The only thing I didn't like about the battle however was how it ended, I figured that the Z-Move would be the finisher, but I'd rather it was against Luxray as opposed to a pokemon who should've taken zero damage from it, but did so anyway because anime logic, but hey, Volkner's Electivire remains the only Electivire Pikachu can beat as the rodent defeated it in the gym battle in Sinnoh, having said that I completely forgot Pikachu defeated Electivire at time of watching the episode, I kept thinking about Paul's/Gary's regarding Pikachu's track record against the species. Mind you though, when Drone Rotom mentioned that Electric moves can't deal much damage to Electric-types, part of me wanted to "um actually" the drone considering Pikachu's elecric moves would deal neutral damage, now if this was Gen 4, that statement would be true as all Rotom formes were Electric/Ghost, and yes I was thinking that when Lucario used Reversal to KO Rotom. Finally I want to finish by saying that I am not surprised whatsoever that Cynthia is in the Masters 8 considering she is the Sinnoh champion and all. Furthermore, I find it interesting that Ash's first opponent in the Normal, Great and Ultra classes were against Electric-type users.
 
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Pokemon Fan

Knuckle Trainer
Ah yes, Togedemaru, well-known for powering entire cities - must've missed that lore drop somewhere along the line, silly me

Also Motor Drive =/= Lightning Rod
The two abilities operate under the same principle of absorbing Electric attacks to buff a stat.

As for powering cities, that's plainly typical pokedex hyperbole. If Electivire could actually do that then the pokemon world would have little to no power generation issues. And if all dex entries were literal then Tyranitar would be invincible.
 
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Yuugis Black Magician

Namaikina Imouto
I'm behind on the anime (I stopped keeping up regularly with Episode #58) so I only just now noticed that Episode #77 is the 101st episode since 1998 solo key animated by Iwane Masa'aki. It's also Tomioka Atsuhiro's 248th scripted episode and Asada Yuuji's 219.5th storyboarded episode and 221st episode director credit.
 
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