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A Unova League Evolution (769)

Discussion in 'Pokémon Black & White - Adventures in Unova' started by Serebii, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Takaru

    Takaru Werk, Werk, Werk

    It always bugged me that for some odd reason Gary sort of "matured" or kind of grew as a trainer and character, while Ash kind of keeps going down hill. I know Gary was just used for set reason, but they did start at the same time. It just seems like lazy writing.

    I guess they just like cleaning Ash's slate now.
     
  2. gohan5

    gohan5 Irisboy

    I disagree. You can't honestly expect Ash to move up in rank in every league. Sometimes this just comes out to luck, just like when you play the tournament in your game, sometimes you win, other times you don't get past the first round. I think people put too much pressure and expectation on Ash.
     
  3. Too much pressure is a understatement, more like too much faith.
     
  4. TheSirPeras

    TheSirPeras The end of an era

    I'm pretty sure the writers would have had Infernape go blaze mode killing everything, even if Snorlax/Heracross/Quilava/Noctowl/Donphan/whatever else wasn't there. And if not that, Pikachu.
     
  5. Takaru

    Takaru Werk, Werk, Werk

    His entire style of battling regressed though, its like he gained no experience from anything he does. We saw progress from Hoenn to Sinnoh, so why did it all just go in a flash like nothing ever happened?
     
  6. It makes me almost think that the writers hate Ash and they are tired of using him..
     
  7. No it doesn't. Just becuase he doesn;t advance higher doe not mean they hate him. In real life, you get a lower grade than your last, that's how life is. It has nothing to do with them hating Ash. They don't hate any of their characters.
     
  8. TheSirPeras

    TheSirPeras The end of an era

    Burgundy, Stunfisk and Palpitoad seem to say otherwise
     
  9. Haunter ゴースト

    Haunter ゴースト Well-Known Member

    Exactly, personally for me a lot of it isn't because of battles for me. That's not what bothers me since that isn't specifically a change in his character. The change in his character what i dislike can be noticed so heavily if you watch one episode from the OS and one from BW.

    It'll be interesting to see if when Gary returns if he's incredibly mature and looks older, or whether he has been turned into a little kid again like Ash did.
     

  10. I do the same thing, It doesn;t mean I hate a character. I just have a humor bone in my body.
     
  11. TheSirPeras

    TheSirPeras The end of an era

    Being absent is not funny, it just shows they were only thrown in there for the plot of Oshawott's Aqua Jet. Thoug Burgundy, if she had gotten 1 win, it would be alright
     
  12. I was talking about Cilan's rival, not the Pokemon. People expected too much out of Best Wishes, now they are calling it the worst saga. And How so we know they hate Palpatoad or Stunfisk, are we from Japan, are we the writers? No, we are not.
     
  13. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Same thing, day in;day out ಠ_ಠ

    You know I find sad, that this could have easily been the greatest league ever, but instead it got rushed and left little value. Did the animation staff petition to get as little work as possible, because not having a single full battle shown onscreen is just fall out wrong. If they seriously hate animating things that are "too difficult" then they should have never entered the career they've chosen.

    Like I said it all ties in as his personality relies on battles, as the character himself lives to battle. So yeah, I've noticed the certain "spark" as you could call it, shift in Best Wishes. He doesn't seem like he seriously wants to do anything
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2013
  14. TheSirPeras

    TheSirPeras The end of an era

    All of them were terribly handled tbh :p People expected good things because of Sinnoh, or course we would like to see battles and wise Ash and be upset when Ash does terrible in the league comparing to Snnoh. If this had been a saga after Johto or Hoenn it wouldn't have been very bad, but Sinnoh made our expectations higher
     
  15. Nightstar1994

    Nightstar1994 Well-Known Member

    Darn...i REALLY wanted Dino to win the League. After all the foreshadowing and the fact Virgil won against Kotetsu, it would have been great for him to lose against Dino. But no...:(

    Oh well, atleast he took the second place, that's always something. Ash will never get that :p

    And the ending, nice..but it would fit more for..Episode N ending than this? It's not like adventures in Unova are over or something.
     

  16. Just because Sinnoh was to everyone the best saga ever, doesn't mean to hype Best Wishes to live up to your expectaions. That's how life goes, you can't always get what you want. And no, they were not terribly handled just becuse they never battled much.
     
  17. WaterShuriken

    WaterShuriken Well-Known Member

    Seeing Cameron beat Ash was a disappointment but seeing Virgil also only use 5 vs Cameron was great. Nice "payback." I expected Virgil to win ever since he was introduced and was surprised at Dino and Ramone's lineup. It's sad when the rival battles were more interesting than Ash's battles (exception being vs Stephan). Virgil was pretty cool and I hope he returns occasionally. Loved seeing Espeon, Flareon and Eevee. Trump Card was cool.
     
  18. gohan5

    gohan5 Irisboy

    I don't think that the anime staff is "lazy" necessarily, but rather that we're feeling the effects of a 3 year series now. A DP pace was never possible for this series and it probably could have seen the benefits from a little less rushing. But the games keep coming now, faster than ever before, and the anime is showing that.
     
  19. TheSirPeras

    TheSirPeras The end of an era

    You're right, they were also terribly handled because Palpitoad was a war machine, and Stunfisk was exactly the opposite of that. Plus you know, the lack of decent appearances... 30 episodes without appearing really hits you.
    And yes, if we just come from a season where Pikachu ties with a Latias, Ash was his smartest self, Paul was a great rival, and the battles (league battles too) were well made and not rushed, your expectations will be higher.
     
  20. Nightstar1994

    Nightstar1994 Well-Known Member

    That's why Sinnoh/Gen IV will always be my favorite Anime and Game saga of Pokemon respectively. I loved the atmosphere, the pacing was great, battles were exciting and even Fillers were fun. Darn Best Wishes for ruining Sinnoh's league and Darn 6th Gen for ruining Best Wishes's league. Will this become a loop now? :(
     

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