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A Unova League Evolution (769)

Discussion in 'Pokémon Black & White - Adventures in Unova' started by Serebii, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Meh ಠ_ಠ

    I feel different about this... I mean this was the Unova league, shouldn't someone who actually used Unova Pokemon win the league... that alone is poor representation and what's worst is that it implies in itself that Gens 1-4 are clearly superior. Then Virgil doesn't even stick around long enough for anything and isn't even a full time trainer, how is that a league champion?

    Except we've got 8 whole months left before the Gen 6 games hit the market... pretty sure 4 of those months could have been used wisely to prepare for the league and make it longer. No way this N arc can go on for 8 months, but with little to do outside of that, I don't know what they have planned.
     
    Last edited: Jan 10, 2013
  2. Nightstar1994

    Nightstar1994 Well-Known Member

    Told you all that you should treat Best Wishes as a filler saga before even it was cool.
     
  3. Interference

    Interference Banned

    I usually get sad when a league ends but I just have to say good riddance on this one.
     
  4. IcySealeo

    IcySealeo Well-Known Member

    I think the writers made the dumbest move. They made a whole new saga which shows only Unova Pokemon. Gym battle, rivals battles and wild Pokemon were only Unova. But then, the winner of the UNOVA league has no Unova Pokemon at all. That just screw all the hard work they did to promote the fifth generation. Virgil, along with Cameron's Lucario, shows that previous Pokemon are better than fifth generation Pokemon. Dino should have won.

    Also, it seems that Virgil isn't a real trainer. Of course he has badges, but his main job is the rescue team. It looks like he just passed by the league and decided to take part in it and apparently win.
     
  5. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Meh ಠ_ಠ

    I learned that after the first 12 good episodes of Best Wishes
     
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  6. WaterShuriken

    WaterShuriken "I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."

    The winning with non-Unova pokemon implies nothing, it's just fans getting carried away. What do you mean about him not sticking around long enough? We have no idea how winning a league works, we never saw Tyson or Tobias' actions after the league. Not everyone that participates has that ambition of going further.
     
  7. Nightstar1994

    Nightstar1994 Well-Known Member

    Tobias doesn't care. He goes around to catch Arceus'es and Mewtwos everywhere. He was the strongest trainer we've ever saw in the Anime anyway, if they would show more of him, Cynthia's "overpowered" spot would fall down.
     
  8. RickHoenn

    RickHoenn Banned

    Maybe because his Unova team is not so developed? catching 10 pokemon and then getting barely trained was kinda a mistake now looking back, that's where the writers failed, his team needed development. :rolleyes:

    It's clear his team was all over the place. As much as top 8 for Ash disspointed me BIG TIME, I think he deserves that spot. (and wow people need to stop being so over dramatic lol)

    Cameron's team >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ash's Unova team

    Chapter N Ash or Gen VI Ash needs to be "redone", a smaller, a la Hoenn team, Ash needs for Gen VI IMO so the mons gets more focus overall ***crossing fingers for the writers***
     
  9. jrizza88

    jrizza88 Meteorite

    No matter how much we say that his team wasn't trained well enough, it was implied that Ash had three additional months to train his pokemon. About 4 of them learned new moves alone. It was also Ash's fault, tactical wise to keep Pignite against Samurott. It seems like Pignite could have taken Lucario down with one or two fire pledges.

    I also feel like if he used his old pokemon, he would have definitely won this league. With that being said, I feel like Kotetsu was trolled by Virgil for us to not be as angry Ash lost? I know this point about his older pokemon contradicts my former statement, but it seemed like it was purely a tactical/ Writers being ******** to us, but having Ash lose in this fashion. I am more upset that he lost to Lucario with Kotetsu using just five pokemon. It really was a smack in the face.
     
  10. TheSirPeras

    TheSirPeras The end of an era

    He could have switched in for Pikachu, gotten those wins and have Pignite beat Riolu easily, speaking tactically :p
     
  11. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Meh ಠ_ಠ

    Your just happy he beat Cameron, that's why you don't see the big picture. Everyone who's won a League has owned Pokemon from the region (You could tell me I'm wrong about Johto, but Kanto Pokemon were still relevant in that generation) but here we've got some guy who doesn't own a single gen 5 Pokemon winning a gen 5 league tournament. That's like saying someone goes to the Pokemon World Championships (video games) and wins with only Pokemon from the past generations, yet clearly everyone uses at least one Unova Pokemon nowadays. So no, this wasn't doing the Gen 5 any justice. As for Virgil, he went off on a mission from the looks of things after getting his trophy, shows how serious a trainer he is
     
  12. jrizza88

    jrizza88 Meteorite

    Exactly!!! It just shows me how disappointed I truly am with this league. Unfezant could have clearly beat Riolu as well. I still stand by my former statements that Snivy and Unfezant won battles right before the league, because the writers probably thought it would make up for their losses. I do give props to Snivy for doing really well IMO. Pikachu too, of course.

    I am not going to lie, at the time when I was so upset (which is probably the most upset I've ever been watching this show), I was happy to see Virgil destroy Kotetsu.

    But, it is a shame that the last standing pokemon were Sinnon/Kanto Pokemon, when i really think about it. The league was an opportunity in general to show off serious powerhouse pokemon. I was hoping to see Chandelier, Elektross (a good one at least), Golurk, Zoroark, and other beastly Pokemon be serious threats. It baffles me that so many pokemon could have battled, and yes, we should have seen Ash battle with at least two more pokemon, with wins going to the likes of Snivy, Leavanny, Unfezant, Palpitoad, Oshawott and Boldore who didn't get a single win on screen. There could have been one more 3 vs 3 and one other 6 vs 6. They could have done two 4 vs 4 since the writers seems to try to avoid 6 vs 6 battles -__-. I only really enjoyed Ash vs Stephan and Ash vs Trip.
     
  13. Haunter ゴースト

    Haunter ゴースト Well-Known Member

    Hmm again, it's not really what I mean I guess we have different opinions.

    I just feel his personality has changed too much, in OS Ash was a joker, competant and whilst immature still mature when it really counted. The Ash of BW is too happy complimenting his opponents all the time, never jokes (besides in Movie 14) and mentally acts mature but everything he does is like a little kid (yes Iris you're right).

    It's actually really hard to explain but like I said if you were to watch one episode of each saga you'd notice the horrible contrast.
     
  14. Graham Aker

    Graham Aker Well-Known Member

    Lol, Iris sounded like Dawn during this battle..."Daijoubu, Daijoubu!". Guess they picked up each others lines :pP

    But, yeah..battle between Lucario and Pikachu was decent, to bad everything before in Kotetsu's battle with Ash was tripe. So *yawn* overall.
     
  15. RickHoenn

    RickHoenn Banned

    I don't get... why is this a big issue anyway?

    Eevee is not a pokemon? what it is? a Digimon? a Yu-Gi-Oh monster? what's is the fuss about it? being I, II, III, IV, V gen pokemon matters because? They're all Pokemon, Eevee is Virgil's MAIN POKEMON, just like Tyson's Meowth was or Tobias' Darkrai was.

    I find this complain to be pretty absurd, you just try to find bad in everything.
     
  16. wingzx

    wingzx Heart-under-blade

    eh even tho kotetsu lost i thought Lucario vs Pikachu and this episode a great episode.. the ending was pretty nice how he looked back at his journey and how Short it was :p but still i think this was the best episode out of the whole league >.<
     
  17. Joltik-Kid

    Joltik-Kid Meh ಠ_ಠ

    I don't really know who's not getting who because that what I'm trying to get across :O
     
  18. Cresselia92

    Cresselia92 SM Ash = New Ash

    I'm actually glad that Virgil won the League. From the look of his fight against Cameron he seemed a quite good strategist. He managed to beat Cameron's six Pokemon with only 5 Pokemon and only losing three. Ash, why can't you pull a similar feat?

    I liked the match between Lucario and Pikachu. It was hard-fought and dynamic. If only the other half was that lively, I could have appreciated this match a bit more.

    Anyway, for the first time I'm actually glad that a League is over. It was like a drag to me, and that's sad because I usually love the Leagues. Oh, well... time to move on.
     
  19. WaterShuriken

    WaterShuriken "I..I..Iron Tail, Pikachu."

    You're just upset for no real reason.
    So what if he didn't have a Unova pokemon? Unova pokemon were all we saw in the first 100 episodes or so. That's what Best Wishes Season 2 was all about, having older pokemon back in the show.Virgil went off on a mission? Well it's not like he's doing his job and rescuing pokemon and people. Once again we never saw what the previous league winners did afterward so you can't judge Virgil on that. Besides Zoey, a Top Coordinator went back home. Why don't you ague why she didn't say she was heading for another region or something instead of going home? I honestly don't know why you are getting all worked up over such a meaningless point. It's also not like the saga is over and Unova pokemon will still be the focus.
     
  20. Eddieursa

    Eddieursa Marsh Trainer

    I hate this episode!! Ash should have gained the 4th place again, even without his old Pokemon. They better give us something to compensate it during "Chapter N", making Ash the winner of a new "tournament" (similar to the Orange Islands or the Battle Frontier) or I'm gonna jump to the writers' throats.
     

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