it isnt ignoring the definition. it fits it.
(1)Parasite: An organism that lives in or on and takes its nourishment from another organism. A parasite cannot live independently.
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"–noun 1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite
So what do we do now?
right. let's stop helping heart attack patients then since the heart attack was natural.
hospitals are officially useless because we're interfering with natural causes.
Saving a person having a heart attack isn't killing a human being, but abortion is. They're different procedures.
The rest of these were posted by ChronaMew, but I messed up the quotes, so I had to take out the name. Just saying.
Not necessarily - Not all orphans find out who their parents are, and biologically they would still have the same parents, it could be kept secret. Withholding information is not the same as lying.
So wait...I forget where this part of the discussion was going. Were we talking about a theoretical machine that raises fetuses?
They come up with a different end-result, but it doesn't make it any less easy to withhold the urge. Hell, I once met a woman who was *addicted* to sex until her child was born.
Eating is a necessary process for the individual to survive, sex isn’t.
I was talking to my friend Vanessa about this, and I ended up equating sex to cigarettes. Neither are necessary, but both of them are difficult to avoid. That is, if you smoke. Quitting smoking and resisting sex, they’re difficult to do, but possible.
Well in this case, I'd take the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Since the fetus doesn't really care either way, I find it less of an evil to end it before it fully begins to live, than to possibly mess up the life of an already-living woman and possibly her boyfriend/husband.
But the thing is, it’s already alive. So using ‘before it fully begins to live’ doesn’t quite work.
So it comes down to destroying the life of the child or making the life of the woman harder. Not to minimalize the burden of a child or anything.
In that case, it would be ones own fault for having a working speedometer. However, in the case of pregnancy, it wouldn't really be possible to blame the woman. Many people have sex while drunk, are you willing to prosecute them all because they might be forcing a miscarriage?
No, but if there were substantial evidence that proves that the woman purposely forced a miscarriage, then yes, she could be prosecuted.
And I already mentioned the “all” portion of it. It’s impossible and unlikely to do arrest every pregnant woman for murder, but some would be, and others would be further deterred from the process.
In this case, I place a higher value on the woman, as she was already born, is loved by people, and has a possible future which I'd rather give her a chance to live than force to birth and raise a child.
And now you’re stuck, because you’ve place increased value on one life over the other.
Already born: what difference does this make? They’re both living. Neither is more important than the other because of their birth.
Loved by people: So, if I’m a lonely old man, and I’ve lost everyone I’ve ever loved, then I don’t deserve to live as much as a church pastor with a Church full of people who love me? Or, if I’m a father and my whole family was killed in a car accident, I deserve to live less than another man who has a full family?
Future: All right, so the homeless, working poor, teens who dropped out of high school don’t have as much of a right to life because they don’t have as much of a possible future as others in better positions?
And that’s why placing on value on life is difficult.
Yes, but it isn't as alive as other humans are. We cut down living trees for our own convenience, be it for making furniture or paper, and trees are just as alive as a fetus is.
We’re not arguing how alive it is. We’re talking about is it alive, or is it not, and it is, making it a human life.
Some people would argue that killing trees is immoral as well, but as it stands now, killing trees for paper is a socially acceptable act. The difference, admittedly, isn’t in their “amount” of living, but what society has deemed acceptable.
Let’s examine drugs, for example. Marijuana is a less potent drug when compared to alcohol, but which one has become acceptable in society? It seems to be an arbitrary process, allowing certain things and disallowing otherc, but that fact remains that killing trees is acceptable, but killing human lives is not.
I don't see it as a black or white right/wrong term. You could say I see it as a necessary evil, as I pointed out earlier. I probably COULD try to look for a census of the amount of abortions in Ireland from before it was banned and compare, but I'm too darn tired right now since I just came home from work.
Not just a census on that, but a census of how many people it deterred. The number of people who thought “Hey, I shouldn’t do this.” The census would be flawed, because some abortions would have continued, under the radar.
Either way, we agree on the fact that it's better to get one done by a doctor than in a back-alley, so even you see it as part of a negative necessity culture-wise.
Hmm? I’m not alright with back-alley abortions. It sounds dirty.
Yes, I do see abortion as a necessary evil, but I am arguing the evil of it, that it is wrong.
I will say that abortion
should be illegalized, going under the premise that it is murder, and that murder is detrimental to the fabric of society. However, given that no current solutions exist to effectively illegalize the process- that there is no plausible way to enact or properly enforce such a law- I submit that it cannot be made illegal.
That's like saying that girls should be forced not to date or know any males until they're ready for childbirth. Believe me, most people find it extremely hard to simply wait until they're ready, and I don't feel that they should be forced to raise a child if by mistake the girl got pregnant =p
No it’s not. I can be friend with girls and not wanna mount them every time I see them. Likewise, when I’m dating someone, I know not to have sex with them, however the situation may be.
Humans don't have a natural almost forced urge to buying jewelry, and even if they do something stupid and waste all of their money on it, they can still get part of it back with the receipt. That's sort of what abortion is - A rectification to a mistake you made.
Some people would argue that point. What if I were to spend all my money on a house, leave it uninsured, and it gets washed away in a flood? What if I drop out of high school? No one will help me without my prompting. I can go to a community college, and help myself, but no one’s going to pay for my college. The jewelry store’s not going to some knocking on the girl’s dor saying “Oh honey, do you need the money back? I’m so sorry sugar, here, have a lollipop.”
For a pregnant woman, there are so many resources available for her to help herself, and I will admit that it is a difficult thing to go through, but she can’t just run away from everything. There have to be consequences.
Abortions are receipts…I like it.
Would you want every girl who got pregnant to have to drop out of college/high school and ruin their chance at a future because they'd be stuck working a minimum wage job to support a family? That's not the kind of life I'd wish on anybody, hence I prefer allowing the girl to abort and hopefully get ahead in life after which she can choose to have kids and raise them in a loving environment.
I went to a high school where there was a daycare for the children of the students. Messed up, right? I’ve seen a lot of pregnant teens, and from my experience, I have very sympathy for them. But I’d much rather try to be objective about this point. The daycare at my school was a resource for that pregnant teen.
Here, I just typed in “I’m pregnant, I need help.” into Google.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=1252&fsdt=11390&q=I'm+pregnant,+I+need+help.
It came up with pages and pages of help, and that’s a pretty unofficial search of a major search engine. If I were to go to a pregnancy resource center, or any hospital, I’d get heaps and heaps of support. Point is her life doesn’t have to be “ruined“, if she doesn’t want it to be. But she has to be willing to work hard for it, and that’s a consequence of her and her “lover’s” actions.
