it disgusts me that so many people do this just for money
It disgusts me to see women have babies out of some misguided desire for "love" or a child rebate come tax day. Children were historically just an insurance policy, like Social Security, just more direct and unapologetic. You lived strictly so your parents could get care.
Plants don't have feelings or brains like humans do.
They don't have brains, but they have "pain", since they release chemicals (tannins) to discourage an herbivore from eating them. A zygote also has no brain or an organized nervous system, but you folks tell us that it is a "person". You can't have it both ways. If a plant can't be sentient due to the lack of (what we assume to be) a functioning nervous system, then ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT CAN'T BE SENTIENT. The species DOES NOT MATTER.
Crops, fruits, and vegetables are killed for a good reason. For food.
So if the mother ate it, would it be more acceptable? I swat flies. I don't eat them. I understand their needed niche in ecology but that doesn't mean I want them bothering me.
i work at a daycare and i do this not for money
So have I. I've also taught at an elementary school. I also helped Mom with my younger brother and I care for my brother's new puppies. Let me help you with a concept: playing with them for a workday is NOT the same as dealing with them 24/7, taking them to the ER when they have a high fever, listening to them cry for hours in the still of the night when you've only had little sleep, etc. I can cure teen desires for babies real quick ... let them take care of one for a week, all day, all night. That oughta do it.
people who say sped people don't have a right to live are all fools
And no rational person would say that, only misguided eugenics fools. There are some "disabilities" though that are fatal. FATAL. My mother was preceded by two infants who died nine hours after birth. Yeah, that was worth it. Women facing that prospect should demand a refund from God and get their nine months back. I can understand the fear of people who have been historically targeted by eugenics morons (or religious morons -- it wasn't only science that drove infanticide). However, no modern rational person thinks that way.
Men CAN "become pregnant" in a way. There are pills and all such that allow them to experience the same things that a pregnant woman does, including weights. Now, I'm not saying that every man will or even should do this, but it is possible and in this way, a man can truly understand what the woman is going through. And childbirth is, contrary to popular belief, not the most intense pain one can sustain. Pain can be intense enough to kill. Most women nowadays do not die of the PAIN from childbirth, it's usually blood loss and other complications. I myself cannot empathize with this pain, as I have always suffered from a mild condition that somewhat impedes my nervous system. This slightly hinders my ability to feel cold, heat, and pain, among other things like a slight loss of taste, as the signals are interrupted.
Men can also give breastmilk with some breast stimulation and maybe a hormone boost. Women naturally can give more, but it's not like men can't help. And pills are only an option for false pregnancy. You actually only need a strong enough delusion to kick that into effect.
As long as that cell is alive that is a person even if it is just one cell.
Then so is an amoeba. "Alive" is not the issue. "Personhood/sentience" is. Humans simply do not believe, even if they say they do due to religion, that all life is worth keeping.
Whilst I agree that religion should not have a say in whether abortion be allowed/disallowed, it is far from invalid.
But it's irritating when such faith isn't from the sacred scripture of that faith. When a faith position isn't biblical at ALL, I tend to see it as invalid. Even in other religions, if it's not there in the scriptures, how did the people get the idea?
please dont bring god into this, and if you do, instead of saying "god says no" say "its written --- in the bible, and i strongly believe in that as a competent source.". because, though you may be christian, not everybody is. honestly, any bible reference i read, i automatically regard it as crap. im an atheist.
If they say it's in the bible, they're lying or incompetent. The bible, aside from a few "humans are AWESOME" passages, typically portrays God as seeing us as just as worth all of the other creatures (animals, plants, fungi, etc). The penalty for killing a fetus was a mere fine, whereas the penalty for killing a pregnant WOMAN was DEATH. I view the "humans are AWESOME" passages as added by, well, humans, as the entire rest of the bible has the exact opposite outlook. Not that we are evil, like some masochistic Christians believe, but that we're no better (or worse) than every other living thing.
good luck. i wonder how touched your heart will be at the 3 am feeding...
The 9pm, the 11pm, the 1am, the 3am, the 5am ... current guidelines recommend feeding every 2-3 hours. Say goodbye to sleep for the next few months!
she even faked(really totally faked) suicide because my friends suicidal and she(the mom) seriously wanted attention.
Borderline personality disorder.
Though it's inside the woman, it isn't the woman itself, it has its own right to live instead of being killed off before getting its first breath of air.
Tell that to God.
I'm begging you to come up with other arguements besides that it has no rights
Can YOU come up with something other than tired arguments? Arguments that are rational and verifiable?