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Aegislash Discussion Thread

Discussion in '6th Gen' started by Miror, Nov 5, 2013.

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  1. Yeah, I've seen a few more Mandibuzz lately. It received pretty poor usage in the last stats (somewhere around .4%, IIRC), but that was also based on just 8 days of collected data. I'm pretty sure that as people start catching onto how good it is, you'll see it rise to around 3-4% usage, which might put it in OU range.
     
  2. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    Back on topic, aegislash's unpredictability makes it hard to check, while a special based mixed set can be walled by tanks such as goodra, goodra has trouble stopping swords dance aegislash, and the same is reversed for landorus therian. As i said above, mandibuzz is aegislash's only true counter, resisting shadow sneak, shadow ball, and with its physical defensive set, doesn't take a lot from sacred sword, while aegislash is 2hkoed in shield mode, iirc, by foul play, OHKOed if it swords dances, and can roost to heal off damage, tho it makes it more vulnerable to sacred sword due to it losing its flying typing.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2013
  3. LinksOcarina

    LinksOcarina The true master

    I always compare that to a simulation vs the real thing. If you can train a core group of twenty pokemon for wifi battles to use you are already ahead of the curb on things. Using Pokemon Online to crunch numbers and test out teams is fine, but you lose the part about the game that is fun.

    And for the record, I am training a Mandibuzz now because I want to see how it does in the field. A field run rampant with ghosts. and Aegislash. I think every fight I have been in has had some variant of him on there, primarily physical attackers though interestingly enough.

    Mandibuzz was always very useful, people neglected it because they over-value stealth rock and the focus was on weather in Black and White, something Mandibuzz didn't mesh with. As a resistant wall against ghost types when you need walls against them, her stock went up.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2013
  4. KillerDraco

    KillerDraco The Enforcer Staff Member Super Mod

    The buff to Overcoat in Gen 6 was a nice addition as well. Powders may not be the most common thing in the world but an immunity to Spore and Sleep Powder is a welcome little improvement.

    But I digress. It's not only her resistance against Ghost types, but the neutrality to fighting which helped seal the deal, given that fighting type moves have phenomenal complementary coverage alongside Ghost. Base 80 speed isn't bad for a wall, either, so not only can it switch in with relative ease, but also force Aegislash out with the threat of Foul Play due to outspeeding it and not minding Shadow Sneak.
     
  5. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    What about Drapion? Like Mandibuzz, he resists Ghost and takes neutral damage from Fighting, but trades some bulk for a more offensive presence (and more importantly Pursuit). I feel like the Dark/Ghost buff is going to be bringing a lot more of these obscure threats into the light.
     
  6. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    I could see banded drapion being a nice niche pokemon, tho its biggest disadvantage to mandibuzz is it can't handle excadrill like mandibuzz can thanks to foul play. That said, drapion does apply more offensive pressure by far, plus discourages excadrill coming in on it due to earthquake and crunch, while also pressuring mega alakazam and gengar with crunch.
     
  7. Divine Retribution

    Divine Retribution Master of the freak show

    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 248 HP / 148+ Def Mandibuzz: 367-432 (86.76 - 102.12%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
    (367, 369, 374, 380, 382, 387, 393, 395, 400, 406, 408, 413, 419, 421, 426, 432)

    Is there something I'm missing here? Neither of them really even check Excadrill, since Drapion is immediately OHKO'd by Earthquake and Mandibuzz is always OHKO'd by Rock Slide after Stealth Rocks, and easily outsped and 2HKO'd if Excadrill is at +0 with Sandstorm (or again, Stealth Rock) active.
     
  8. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    most mandibuzz are 252/252 impish, takes about 60% and OHKOs back, not the most reliable check but it works in a pinch
     
  9. LinksOcarina

    LinksOcarina The true master

    Plus sandstorm is not guaranteed anymore, which does neuter Excadrill's speed tier heavily. Mandibuzz can also phaze him out with whirlwind then roost off damage if you give it that set, in the long run it outlasts Excadrill if it gets it out of the sand.
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2013
  10. windsong

    windsong WEST SIDE

    Excadrill generally runs mold breaker now, btw, not Sand Rush. Mold Breaker is much better in the meta now since it makes all spinblockers other than Trevenant and Gourgeist unable to switch in on Earthquake. Mandibuzz is also a kinda shitty Excadrill counter but that's another story entirely!!!!
     
  11. Honus

    Honus Well-Known Member

    i wouldnt say mandibuzz is a counter by any means but its certainly a poke that can take an attack from excadrill and retaliate well, that said its not the poke you want as your first choice to stay in while excadrill attacks, especially with its sr weak

    also i wouldnt bet on seeing any drapion in OU any time soon...
     
  12. LinksOcarina

    LinksOcarina The true master

    We should probably save that talk for a different thread, but I would say not necessarily on Drapion either, it has potential to be a sweeper and with new changes coming into the metagame its raw power and potential for a specially defensive pivot can come into play again since it resists ghosts, psychics, darks, and is neutral to faeries and fighting types..
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2013
  13. KillerDraco

    KillerDraco The Enforcer Staff Member Super Mod

    Yeah, this has gotten a little off the topic of Aegislash, hasn't it?

    Lately my Aegislash feel naked when they don't have Shadow Sneak. It feels like they're a lot easier to check without it, most notably by Mega Gengar who otherwise traps and disposes of Aegislash when it doesn't have to worry about Shadow Sneak. Regardless of whether it's fully physical or mixed, I can't justify to myself giving up Shadow Sneak... but maybe that's just me.
     
  14. McDanger

    McDanger Well-Known Member

    Not really this thread is for anything involving aegislash, including its possible checks and counters

    Ya shadow sneak is really to good to give up on aegislash, especially with its low speed, as it allows it to check would be checks such as, as mentioned above, gengar, as well as lets it stop boosting pokemon like blaziken and dragonite once they set up, or finish off threats mid/late game
     
  15. Minedreigon

    Minedreigon A monument to all your sins

    Aegislash. Oh God Aegislash. This could be a huge threat in OU gen6. Stance change, kings shield, it's an amazing pokemon if used correctly.

    I find hippowdon and Lando T both good counters, and gliscor to an extent (watch them start packing HP ice). An automimize special set can work decently too.
     
  16. Spade33

    Spade33 Member

    Another perfect counter in use to combat Aegislash is Mamoswine. It out-speeds it on any day (except if Aegislash has a choice scarf and has max Speed EVs.....but those arent generally put on an Aegislash). And , with a Whopping 135 base attack, Mamoswine can dish out OHKO Earthquakes as much as it wants. Technically, Earthquake doesn't make contact, preventing the stat drop from Kings shield. Mamoswine can even take a physical hit pretty well from a shadow sneak.

    Basically, any Ground pokemon with a strong Attack Stat and a Speed Stat above 75 or so, will be Aegislash's worst nightmare.

    I recommend Mamoswine, Gliscor, Garchomp, Excadrill, Krookodile, and Flygon.
     
  17. MedievalMovies

    MedievalMovies Absolute Power

    Diggersby as well. It oneshots Aegislash IIRC with Earthquake and nullifies Shadow Sneak
     
  18. KillerDraco

    KillerDraco The Enforcer Staff Member Super Mod

    Neither Diggersby nor Mamoswine can switch into Sacred Sword though, so both have to be wary about getting nailed on the switch.
     
  19. MedievalMovies

    MedievalMovies Absolute Power

    True.

    Are there any true hard counters to this guy in OU? I'm thinking Gliscor but I don't think it has the ability to OHKO Aegis with EQ.

    Edit: Doesn't even come close in Defense Forme Aegislash.

    0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def (custom): 146-174 (45.06 - 53.7%) -- 33.98% chance to 2HKO
    (146, 146, 150, 152, 152, 156, 156, 158, 158, 162, 164, 164, 168, 168, 170, 174)

    Edit 2: Then I realize Aegislash can't touch Gliscor to save his life.

    +2 252+ Atk (custom) Shadow Sneak vs. 244 HP / 248+ Def Gliscor: 100-118 (28.4 - 33.52%) -- possible 5HKO
    (100, 100, 102, 103, 105, 106, 106, 108, 109, 111, 112, 112, 114, 115, 117, 118)
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2013
  20. KillerDraco

    KillerDraco The Enforcer Staff Member Super Mod

    But even in Gliscor's case, Mixed Aegislash often carry HP Ice which will put the hurt on Gliscor in a hurry. It really depends on what set Aegislash is running.
     
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