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Champion
Be specific. What in DP?On DP grounds
Be specific. What in DP?On DP grounds
Except Ash is the Champion of Alola, unlike Tyson or Virgil, and the Masters 8 Tournament is enough proof of that."League" Champion which is the same as Ash.
Iris made it to the Master 8. So she strong enough to enter the Master 8.I'm pretty sure Alain can beat him without even Mega Evolving his Charizard unless Kukui resorts to using a pokemon that isn't even his.
What did Iris do before making the M8?Yeah Lucario and Gengar marginally won after learning new moves.You're ignoring that Paul has other pokemon besides the 3 he used in that training battle so I can't say it was equal footing.
Yeah but Ash won the 1st Alola League so there technically isn’t no Alola Champion League for him. He automatically become the 1st Champion and leave Alola. I guess he’ll have to come back and defend his title when the 2nd Alola League occur."League" Champion which is the same as Ash.All 3 won in a pokemon league.Ash being the strongest trainer of the Alola region doesn't mean jack sh*t compared to the likes of Cynthia,Lance and Steven.
On DP grounds
Strongest pokemon we seen him use in DP.Be specific. What in DP?
Then you look at who he beat and realize it wasn't all that impressive,Kalos League Runner is arguably a better achievement.Except Ash is the Champion of Alola, unlike Tyson or Virgil, and the Masters 8 Tournament is enough proof of that.
But how does that make her stronger than Paul?Iris made it to the Master 8. So she strong enough to enter the Master 8.
No E4,no Champions,no Gym Leaders,he beat Gladion to become Alola League Champion and then beat a Professor who is comparable to Virgil minus Tapu Koko.I'll say the same thing Paul said about the Sunnyshore Gym ---->>> NOT LEGIT!Yeah but Ash won the 1st Alola League so there technically isn’t no Alola Champion League for him. He automatically become the 1st Champion and leave Alola. I guess he’ll have to come back and defend his title when the 2nd Alola League occur.
I guess that meant every 1st Champions aren’t legit because their wasn’t a previous Champions or Elite 4 to fight overStrongest pokemon we seen him use in DP.
Then you look at who he beat and realize it wasn't all that impressive,Kalos League Runner is arguably a better achievement.
But how does that make her stronger than Paul?
No E4,no Champions,no Gym Leaders,he beat Gladion to become Alola League Champion and then beat a Professor who is comparable to Virgil minus Tapu Koko.I'll say the same thing Paul said about the Sunnyshore Gym ---->>> NOT LEGIT!
Kukui, who is basically the equivalent of the Alola Champion and the strongest trainer of the region. Which is the biggest achievement before the Masters 8.Then you look at who he beat and realize it wasn't all that impressive,Kalos League Runner is arguably a better achievement.
Sugar coating and apologizingI guess that meant every 1st Champions aren’t legit because their wasn’t a previous Champions or Elite 4 to fight over
He isn't on the level of Cynthia,Lance,Steven or any of the E4 pre Journeys.Kukui, who is basically the equivalent of the Alola Champion and the strongest trainer of the region. Which is the biggest achievement before the Masters 8.
Still by far something that counts, specially when the anime itself TELL US it counts and matters.He isn't on the level of Cynthia,Lance,Steven or any of the E4 pre Journeys.
And I'm asking what makes you think these are his strongest?Strongest pokemon we seen him use in DP.
It counts and is still not that impressive,stop sugar coating dude.Still by far something that counts, specially when the anime itself TELL US it counts and matters.
Yeah sure he obviously has other pokemon we haven't seen but I'm going off what he used throughout all of DP.But you earlier said Electivire was his ace which kills your argument.And I'm asking what makes you think these are his strongest?
No, no doesn't. I've already said that Electivire was a bit ahead because its his ace. You're now arguing that his strongest team is composed of six specific Pokemon. Me agreeing that Elective is his strongest isn't the same as me agreeing that these are his six strongest.Yeah sure he obviously has other pokemon we haven't seen but I'm going off what he used throughout all of DP.But you earlier said Electivire was his ace which kills your argument.
It is Ash's biggest achievement before the Masters 8 Tournament, so yes it is impressive, and more importantly, it is a legitimate one.It counts and is still not that impressive,stop sugar coating dude.
And the only reason Electivire was claimed to be Paul's ace was because it was featured at the Sinnoh League while Torterra wasn't.Technically TEDUMH isn't his strongest team since he didn't use all of them in one battle,but those are the strongest pokemon we seen from him not counting any off screen reserves that he had.I could've mentioned more and just made a top 10 but that's pushing it at this point.No, no doesn't. I've already said that Electivire was a bit ahead because its his ace. You're now arguing that his strongest team is composed of six specific Pokemon. Me agreeing that Elective is his strongest isn't the same as me agreeing that these are his six strongest.
Since that's what you've fallen back on, I guess you don't actually have an argument for your own claim?
You do realize he defeated an undefeated Darkrai?It is Ash's biggest achievement before the Masters 8 Tournament, so yes it is impressive, and more importantly, it is a legitimate one.
With the help of like 4 different Pokemon, one of which is a regional ace. Ash ended losing 4-0 anywaysYou do realize he defeated an undefeated Darkrai?
Mega-Sceptile was absolutely overwhelmed by Ash-Greninja in the end, it barely can count as "toe to toe"You do realize he defeated a rookie trainer who had a full team and went toe to toe with his Greninja?
This is the only one of those that is an actual achievement, still not the biggest one prior to the Masters 8 Tournament.You do realize he conquered the Battle Frontier which includes Spenser,Anabel and Brandon?
Not an actual achievement outside of a personal level because Paul's biggest feat was not winning in 4 Pokemon Leagues (like Ash)You do realize he defeated his second strongest rival who is only behind Alain?
That same Darkrai is sweeping all of Ash's opponents at that League with the Dark Void/Dream Eater combo,it's so easy a caveman could do it.With the help of like 4 different Pokemon, one of which is a regional ace. Ash ended losing 4-0 anyways
Sawyer is still a match for all of Ash's Alola League opponents at the end of the day.Mega-Sceptile was absolutely overwhelmed by Ash-Greninja in the end, it barely can count as "toe to toe"
WHAT?!This is the only one of those that is an actual achievement, still not the biggest one prior to the Masters 8 Tournament.
Same reason I stated above for Sawyer.You're putting "Ash beating weaker competition at a Don George esque pokemon league" on a higher pedestal than a trainer he beat that easily clears in his sleep.Not an actual achievement outside of a personal level because Paul's biggest feat was not winning in 4 Pokemon Leagues (like Ash)
It clearly isn't when this achievement has been mentioned in the most important tournament in the world (maybe).You're putting "Ash beating weaker competition at a Don George esque pokemon league" on a higher pedestal than a trainer he beat that easily clears in his sleep.
Yeah let's take their word for it and pretend that what we saw was NOT underwhelming.It clearly isn't when this achievement has been mentioned in the most important tournament in the world (maybe).
It clearly wasn't. Easily one of the 3 best Pokemon battles ever, arguibly second best.Yeah let's take their word for it and pretend that what we saw was NOT underwhelming.