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CyberBlaziken

A Greater Evil
Superhero was good.
Entertaining and the animation was great. Although I would possibly pick the animation of Broly or the opening prologue of the flashback they had over it overall.
I know there's continuity issues with it in the fandom and the power scaling is kinda dumb, but I'm just gonna ignore it.
 
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MasterTobias

Well-Known Member
Yeah well I don't really read the manga,I only own one book that covered Frieza vs the Z Fighters but outside of that I just watch the anime.

I think it's good that it was shown how they got the transformation on screen as opposed to getting them off screen like in Super.Seeing them train and struggle to achieve these forms made them felt earned.

Goten,Trunks,Caulifla and Kale all got their forms pretty easily with Cabba having just a slight more trouble.
I just wanted to point out how the reason those character you mentioned got it so easily is because all others outside of Goku got it without fanfare as well.

The fandom certainly puts ssj as a higher standard than what the story and by extension Toriyama does, its just a simple power up to him, which is why everyone and their mother got it after Namek.
 

PokemonBattleFanatic-

Well-Known Member
I just wanted to point out how the reason those character you mentioned got it so easily is because all others outside of Goku got it without fanfare as well.

The fandom certainly puts ssj as a higher standard than what the story and by extension Toriyama does, its just a simple power up to him, which is why everyone and their mother got it after Namek.
Well aren't we informed
 

PokemonBattleFanatic-

Well-Known Member
Being informed helps, it certainly helps in knowing what to expect from the franchise as to not be dissapointed(or be dissapointed less).
So do you care to explain why Piccolo doesn't get the same treatment as Goku/Vegeta/Gohan despite being one of the best characters in the entire series and arguably the smartest fighter?
 

MasterTobias

Well-Known Member
So do you care to explain why Piccolo doesn't get the same treatment as Goku/Vegeta/Gohan despite being one of the best characters in the entire series and arguably the smartest fighter?
Because Toriyama stopped caring for him as you can clearly see during the whole Buu arc, when he did not even fight and got replaced as a fighter by Gotenks of all people. This also continues all the way into DBS till the Super Hero movie.

You can see this even during the Cell games, in the manga Vegeta was the only one who attacked Cell during the beam struggle, Piccolo just stood there despite a few minutes earlier being willing to die fighting Cell to help Gohan, he was written out of character because thats what happens when Toriyama stops caring about characters, they lose their relevance and personality.
 

Morax

Mad dog of shimano
Vegeta when he comes home after the events of super hero and finds bulma flexing her butt in the kitchen :

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PokemonBattleFanatic-

Well-Known Member
Because Toriyama stopped caring for him as you can clearly see during the whole Buu arc, when he did not even fight and got replaced as a fighter by Gotenks of all people. This also continues all the way into DBS till the Super Hero movie.

You can see this even during the Cell games, in the manga Vegeta was the only one who attacked Cell during the beam struggle, Piccolo just stood there despite a few minutes earlier being willing to die fighting Cell to help Gohan, he was written out of character because thats what happens when Toriyama stops caring about characters, they lose their relevance and personality.
Just like he stopped caring about Launch who I don't recall once making an appearance during the Buu saga and the entirety of Super,apparently Yurin replaces her and lowkey becomes Tien's new lady friend.
 

Yce288

Grass type FTW
Just like he stopped caring about Launch who I don't recall once making an appearance during the Buu saga and the entirety of Super,apparently Yurin replaces her and lowkey becomes Tien's new lady friend.
Did Yurin appear in the manga too?
 

Yce288

Grass type FTW
I don't read the manga so I wouldn't know.But they pretty much retconned her into being one of members of Master Shen's Crane School which only featured Tao,Tien and Chiaotzu.
I checked and she didnt appear in the manga, but even if the anime stays loyal to the manga whenever it returns they may add her like in the Boruto anime when they added anime only characters in scenes from the manga.
i guess whenever i have enough free time i need to start reading the manga version of TOP since its different from the anime version.
all i know only about the manga version is that Ultimate/Mystic Gohan beat Kefla and that Frost easily beat Tien, Krillin and Master Roshi.
 
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PokemonBattleFanatic-

Well-Known Member
I checked and she didnt appear in the manga, but even if the anime stays loyal to the manga whenever it returns they may add her like in the Boruto anime when they added anime only characters in scenes from the manga.
i guess whenever i have enough free time i need to start reading the manga version of TOP since its different from the anime version.
all i only about the manga version is that Ultimate/Mystic Gohan beat Kefla and that Frost easily beat Tien, Krillin and Master Roshi.
Yeah this along with Roshi using Ultra Instinct and Goku using Hakai were big reasons why I didn't read the manga,it didn't make sense me.I only liked the Gods of Destruction battle royale.
 

Blaze Master X

The Fallen Hero
Manga spoiler about Frieza:
Frieza just returned in latest chapter and has a new form that is called "Black Frieza"
Black Frieza is way stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta.
 

PokemonBattleFanatic-

Well-Known Member
You got Goku,Vegeta,Gohan,Frieza and Piccolo getting all these new transformations while Jiren doesn't even need one.He's already super OP in his base form,no god ki or hakai energy at all.
 

Yce288

Grass type FTW
You got Goku,Vegeta,Gohan,Frieza and Piccolo getting all these new transformations while Jiren doesn't even need one.He's already super OP in his base form,no god ki or hakai energy at all.
I still dont like the fact that Jiren was replaced by Toppo in the extra match after the Exhibition Match of All, it could have created a much earlier rivalry between Goku and Jiren and would have given Jiren more character.
 

PokemonBattleFanatic-

Well-Known Member
I still dont like the fact that Jiren was replaced by Toppo in the extra match after the Exhibition Match of All, it could have created a much earlier rivalry between Goku and Jiren and would have given Jiren more character.
I thought for the longest that him and Hit were the exact same character but with different occupations and fighting styles.The biggest appeal about Hit was his unique appearance and Time-Skip techniques.Jiren looks like a generic superhero that has no flashy moves,lot of basic punches and kicks with an occasional energy blast mixed in.The thing that he does with his eyes is cool though.

Regarding the Exhibition Match and the Tournament of Power it would've been interesting to see Future Trunks,Majin Buu and Pikkon Gotenks compete.
 
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Sonic Boom

@JohanSSB4 Twitter
I do legit wish it was Yamcha instead of 17 that fought in the Tournament of Power.

He’s one of two fighters in the Dragon Team that hasn’t seen Freeza or vice versa, so that had potential for some non-hostile interactions, and his happy-go-lucky nature would have played into that better near the end instead of 17’s cool and stoic personality.

And yes, “near the end.” Yamcha should have won the ToP as the ultimate reversal. How cool would it have been to have the guy who’s constantly shoved aside in the fighting segments at the first moment, be the last man standing.
 

Yce288

Grass type FTW
I do legit wish it was Yamcha instead of 17 that fought in the Tournament of Power.

He’s one of two fighters in the Dragon Team that hasn’t seen Freeza or vice versa, so that had potential for some non-hostile interactions, and his happy-go-lucky nature would have played into that better near the end instead of 17’s cool and stoic personality.

And yes, “near the end.” Yamcha should have won the ToP as the ultimate reversal. How cool would it have been to have the guy who’s constantly shoved aside in the fighting segments at the first moment, be the last man standing.
Yamcha did meet Freeza in the Super Space-Time Tournament in SDBH, but Freeza is evil and somehow Yamcha got himself a glass female fighter falling for him and of course all of this is non canon.
 
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