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American Politics: THANKS OBAMA

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BigLutz

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ccangelopearl1362

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Fox News Channel: Rebels Threaten to Storm 2 Syrian Christian Towns
Jerusalem Post: UN confirms Hezbollah fighting for Assad in Syria

Hmm… With Sunni supremacists on one side, Shiite and Alawite authoritarians on the other, and the United States, Russia, and their separate allies off to the side, any Christians still trapped in the aforementioned towns are now facing another bloodbath that they must escape. Mahrada and Sqailbiyeh are the new towns targeted by the rebelling jihadists, who’ve coalesced around a new group calling itself the Syrian Islamic Front, and while Russia is avoiding actual shelter for Bashar Assad, it’s willing to welcome offers from other countries. For Assad’s part, now that Hezbollah has jumped into the fray, the shift toward sectarian fault lines appears to be complete in the consciousness of the Islamic Community. The Greek Orthodox Church has attempted to mediate between these two factions… to no avail. As for Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood’s Guidance Office, and any allies throughout the rest of North Africa, they look set up to be the next likely focal point for religious turmoil, if of a slightly different kind.:

New York Times: As Charter Nears Passage, Egyptians Face New Fights
Forbes: Bill Frezza: Forget Sharia, The New Egyptian Constitution Enshrines Socialism

There’s a certain part of me that’s fighting down a temptation to wonder whether somebody in the Obama administration simply handed either Muhammad Morsi or any of his advisors some notes on ObamaCare or even Karl Marx’s writings. The margin as of now, with 60% of polling places counted, is somewhere around 70%, and the opposition is warning against consolidation between the Muslim Brotherhood itself and the country’s institutions. If it’s any help, one Mahmoud Mekki resigned from the vice-presidency due to a disagreement over his judicial position, but the turnout was fairly low. Al-Azhar University and the Coptic Orthodox Church are now arguing about the legislative arrangements, and it could only be a matter of time before their differences deepen even more. Some of the provisions through which they’ll be working may prove especially fun to examine.:

• Article 14: organization of Egypt’s national economy through “comprehensive, constant development plan” intended to “establish social justice and solidarity, ensure equitable distribution, protect consumer rights, and safeguard the rights of workers”
• Article 15: farmland protected and increased under national guidelines “to achieve social justice”, including crops and plants, animal breeds and fisheries, and basic food security
• Article 17: protection of strategic industries, support for industrial development, and importation of new technologies
• Article 18: natural resources collectively owned by people, utilized under government directives
• Article 27: management and profits shared with workers, represented in public sector units’ boards of director within 50% limit
• Article 28: safeguards for insurance and pension funds
• Article 58: guaranteed national coordination of “all educational institutions, public and private”, linking “education and the needs of society and production”
• Article 62: top-quality health care guaranteed through “sufficient percentage of the national revenue”, including supervision of health facilities
• Article 67: “national housing plan” to be set up, including “regulation of the use of national territory for the purposes of construction, in accordance with public interest”

Then again, instead of public legislation, it’ll be Sharia that’s supposed to be guiding these steps, but the results could be the same either way. If individuality really is considered nothing more or less than an illusion, then for all intents and purposes, I’d say the Muslim Brotherhood locked itself out of modernity with this constitutional referendum. At least President Barack Obama could find himself lurching toward encouraging an information society, and all of us will know that Egypt, among other segments of the Islamic Community, never had any viable options. Envy might be a wise word to keep in mind here.
 
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Anyone wanna guess why we do not have a fiscal cliff deal yet? This could be the reason.

"At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?"

"You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free.""

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578193770576333616.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

How about the lack of GOP unity following the failure of Boehner getting support in passing Plan B due to the Tea Party and the Pledge?
 

BigLutz

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How about the lack of GOP unity following the failure of Boehner getting support in passing Plan B due to the Tea Party and the Pledge?

Such a thing means nothing if they cannot get Plan A done in the first place.
 

Silver Soul

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Such a thing means nothing if they cannot get Plan A done in the first place.

You can't say it meant nothing. The Republican Party doesn't look very hot following McConnell filiibustering his OWN bill and Boehner's Plan B failing due to the party being divided on wither to increase taxes for the rich or not.
 

BigLutz

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You can't say it meant nothing. The Republican Party doesn't look very hot following McConnell filiibustering his OWN bill and Boehner's Plan B failing due to the party being divided on wither to increase taxes for the rich or not.

And if Plan B had passed the House, would the Democrats be willing to pass it in the Senate? And where is the President on this, he should be the chief leader and negotiator...
 

Silver Soul

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And if Plan B had passed the House, would the Democrats be willing to pass it in the Senate? And where is the President on this, he should be the chief leader and negotiator...

Of course but it failed after Boehner canceled the vote. I believe the president is waiting for the Republican Party to get its **** together and be more cooperative before they destroy themselves. I mean, I'm sure he learned his lesson from what happened in 2011.
 

BigLutz

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Of course but it failed after Boehner canceled the vote. I believe the president is waiting for the Republican Party to get its **** together and be more cooperative before they destroy themselves. I mean, I'm sure he learned his lesson from what happened in 2011.

I hope so as it was Obama's own greed and stupidity that led to the destruction of the 2011 plan.

By the way I will remind you that the Democratic Party was unanimously opposed of Plan B, and would not have lended Republicans support for it even though it was originally Pelosi's idea
 

Silver Soul

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I hope so as it was Obama's own greed and stupidity that led to the destruction of the 2011 plan.

By the way I will remind you that the Democratic Party was unanimously opposed of Plan B, and would not have lended Republicans support for it even though it was originally Pelosi's idea

It's political theater, something which ended up making McConnell and Boehner as well as the GOP look like fools in their moments that happened past couple weeks. Either way, Boehner screwed up not counting the votes he may receive before he presented the bill and it hurt him bad as he not just lose control of the House, he also ticked off the Tea Party.
 

BigLutz

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It's political theater, something which ended up making McConnell and Boehner as well as the GOP look like fools in their moments that happened past couple weeks. Either way, Boehner screwed up not counting the votes he may receive before he presented the bill and it hurt him bad as he not just lose control of the House, he also ticked off the Tea Party.

So instead of helping pass atleast a Plan B to save the country the Democrats are engaging in "Political Theater" against their own idea.
 

ebilly99

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So instead of helping pass atleast a Plan B to save the country the Democrats are engaging in "Political Theater" against their own idea.

I love this idea that it is only the democrats that are playing Political Theater when there is turmoil. Both sides are playing for favor, However the democrats are in a stronger position of gain while the Gop can only lose. The Republicans need to realize that they lost and that america by and large support the Democrats. They are elected officials and need to do what the Majority of the people want. The Millenials want to keep Grannys medicare-caid and that is where the GOP needs to start at. Interview the Silent generation saying that it is ok to cut the programs. Most people feel bad about thinking about doing that.
 

BigLutz

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I love this idea that it is only the democrats that are playing Political Theater when there is turmoil. Both sides are playing for favor, However the democrats are in a stronger position of gain while the Gop can only lose. The Republicans need to realize that they lost and that america by and large support the Democrats. They are elected officials and need to do what the Majority of the people want. The Millenials want to keep Grannys medicare-caid and that is where the GOP needs to start at. Interview the Silent generation saying that it is ok to cut the programs. Most people feel bad about thinking about doing that.

Well here is the problem, the public also elected a majority in the House, so to say the Republican's lost is false when it comes to that body of power. Also if the Millinials wish to keep Granny's medicare card then they need to tell the Democrats that changes need to be made.
 

ebilly99

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Well here is the problem, the public also elected a majority in the House, so to say the Republican's lost is false when it comes to that body of power. Also if the Millinials wish to keep Granny's medicare card then they need to tell the Democrats that changes need to be made.

The fact is that more Red states were up for Election in the house then blue states. That makes it a net gain. however Blue states won with more margin than red states. Not to mention new division in states allowed Red states to stay in power. That said have the Republicans even put one plan that can work mathematically (Not might be math but solid math) If so link.
 
The Republicans need to realize that they lost and that america by and large support the Democrats. They are elected officials and need to do what the Majority of the people want.
I have seen you making this type of nonsensical statement somewhat often about what conservatives should do. Have you ever suggested the same about liberals?
 

ebilly99

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I have seen you making this type of nonsensical statement somewhat often about what conservatives should do. Have you ever suggested the same about liberals?
When they lose yes. The democrats need to consider a proposal of 3 to one budget to tax. For every 3 dollars of budget reform we need one new dollar of new revenue. (Taxes, inflation or other) It's just that the Dems are the winners right now and don't need my advice right now
 

BigLutz

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The fact is that more Red states were up for Election in the house then blue states. That makes it a net gain. however Blue states won with more margin than red states. Not to mention new division in states allowed Red states to stay in power. That said have the Republicans even put one plan that can work mathematically (Not might be math but solid math) If so link.

Umm dude all house seats are up for election every two years. And if Democrats cannot make significant inroads in the house after the 2010 butt whooping then they are in trouble.
 

Silver Soul

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Umm dude all house seats are up for election every two years. And if Democrats cannot make significant inroads in the house after the 2010 butt whooping then they are in trouble.

And here's the thing, the Tea Party now has become a liability for the GOP so what worked for them in 2010 won't work in 2014. There's a Republican majority in the House because of gerrymandering.
 

BigLutz

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And here's the thing, the Tea Party now has become a liability for the GOP so what worked for them in 2010 won't work in 2014.

Worked for them pretty well in 2012 when it comes to House seats, any reason to think that will change with lower Democratic turnout?

There's a Republican majority in the House because of gerrymandering.

Which merely shows the Democrats are losing the long game in terms of gaining Governorships
 

ccangelopearl1362

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Huh. One could suppose that attention will steadily drift away from Congress and toward the 50 states in America as we grasp and inch toward an information society, and at least one major system of belief might be positioned to stream alongside economic progress in this and other countries.:

American Spectator: Mark Tooley: Thankful for Christmas Commercialization

Salvation isn’t the soul (pun completely intended) benefit of Christianity’s globalization. While the Gospel gets plastered across America, Christmas music provides “evangelistic outreach” and “moral uplift”. One might think that this message of warmth and freedom would be welcome, but at least some Chinese college students fear some sort of cultural contamination. Even other Christians seemed to wax nostalgic for whatever “gritty edginess” existed in New York City in past decades, but as Christian entrepreneurs generate new wealth in the market, they invariably fuel the “vast new middle class” rising up throughout the world… nullifying many traditional cultures in the process. One might think that big and small businesses would welcome this shift, but perhaps the latter is more fearful of any fiscal fiasco than we’d like.:

Wall Street Journal: Kimberly Strassel: Big Business Sells Out Small Business

The letter from the Business Roundtable is interesting, with signatures from the likes of Boeing, Dow Chemical, Honeywell, Ameriprise, Campbell Soup, Bank of America, Caterpillar, CSX, Comcast, Chesapeake Energy, Citigroup, Dell, First Solar, General Electric, McGraw-Hill, Navistar, Pfizer, State Farm, Time Warner, and even TransCanada. It calls for “meaningful structural and benefit entitlement reforms and spending reductions… without undermining the broader reforms both parties believe should be pursued”, and the National Federation of Independent Business, the main group representing smaller businesses, isn’t too happy about this letter. One wonders what businesses of all sizes across America intend to do as Inauguration Day 2013 approaches, and yet, by this point, I find myself puzzled about the lack of considerations for consolidation and simplification on these and other specific types of taxes, even from President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner. I suppose that it’ll be all that they can do during these transitions across North America.
 
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Worked for them pretty well in 2012 when it comes to House seats, any reason to think that will change with lower Democratic turnout?



Which merely shows the Democrats are losing the long game in terms of gaining Governorships
To be fair, the Tea Party has been a disaster in terms of Senate seats. And in 2012, Republicans kept a majority while actually losing the popular vote. Pretty rare event in history and not a good indicator. It's unfortunate how polarized both sides have become.
 
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