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American Politics: THANKS OBAMA

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LizardonX

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My life did not change one bit from Obama getting elected. Whether this is good or bad I will never know.
 

ccangelopearl1362

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Australian: Chevron’s Canada foray may take precedence over Australian LNG projects
Diplomat: Yogesh Joshi: Paying Dividends: The U.S.-India Nuclear Deal Four Years On

Judging from Chevron’s most recent movements, it appears that America’s energy companies won’t need much longer in further unlocking the global energy revolution. The Anglosphere’s liquefied natural gas reserves are getting the attention of more politicians and academics, but it appears that Canada is costing less money for these projects than Australia. Chevron wants approval for a new project in British Columbia, but the projects in Australia remain constant, if not expansive as of yet. Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard could call for new investment opportunities from across East Asia, and if she succeeded, her country would be able to transport that natural gas anywhere, building a more viable alternative to, say, Qatar. The foresight shown by former President George Walker Bush could now be in a position to pay off quite handsomely, particularly with India, which is getting a sense of its own geostrategic goals in its oceanic backyard. To be sure, India has had trouble with arms control and Iran, but it could move more rapidly than even it expected on those and other fronts, particularly China. Indeed, American nuclear technology firms received exclusive access to at least 10,000 megawatts electrical in the Indian nuclear reactor market, but France is among the nuclear exporters seeking to overcome the obstacles posed by nuclear liability. We’re also becoming India’s biggest supplier of basic military equipment, outdoing Russia, interestingly enough, leaving current President Barack Hussein Obama and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh with a few strategic advantages. Between this energy pivot and a prospective surge in Christianity inside Iran, the ayatollahs may be a few steps closer to seeing their chance for a utopia under the Hidden Imam slip away for good. Depending on how quickly China’s authoritarian leaders pull the Sharia sheikhdoms in the Persian Gulf toward their orbit, Sunnism could be closer to prevailing over Shiism in our consciousness.:

Washington Post: China looks to meat exports to boost ties to Arab world

As Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, and other East and Southeast Asian countries mobilize against China, effectively encouraging the Obama administration’s pivot, Chinese officials are looking to Arab investors to assist in developing cities in China’s westernmost areas, which have admittedly lagged behind its coastal cities. Outgoing Chinese President Hu Jintao led two trade delegations to Saudi Arabia, and Yinchuan, which has a few businesspersons focusing on this “halal meat”, recently hosted a forum involving dignitaries from… the United Arab Emirates. These businesspersons want halal certifications in order to send their meat to Middle Eastern countries, but if other kinds of prices rise or fall beyond said countries’ capacity for consumption and maintenance, then destabilization would only creep that much more readily into the region as a whole, reverberating in Sunni and Shiite communities alike.:

Los Angeles Times: Iran may be reconsidering position on Syria
Washington Post: Syrian leader Assad said to be isolated, fearful as regime faces collapse

Well, wouldn’t this trigger a substantive fault line throughout the Islamic Community? Iranian Supreme Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other officials may be making their usual public denouncements of Israel and the United States for conspiring to bring down Bashar Al-Assad, but sources close to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say that “behind the curtains”, experts and officials in Tehran and other Iranian cities are increasingly nervous. Any challengers to Ahmadinejad’s chosen successor could jump during the upcoming presidential election, due to transpire in June, and censorship of any negative reports about Assad starting relaxing “about two months ago”. As for Assad himself, his fellow Alawites may be positioning themselves to defend against any Sunnis bent on retribution, and there are growing signs that he is afraid of any assassination attempts. Accounts for Syrian activists describe increases for his security detail and tightened controls “over food preparation to thwart would-be assassins”. The United Nations tried to hold private meetings with the man to get him to stand down, but as Russia and Iran start to pull out, Assad could conclude that the Alawites have no place at all in the new Middle East, then start preparing for a bloodier battle. A recent visit from Egypt’s main diplomat for Lebanon probably won’t help the perceptions of any of those aforementioned villainous and tragic rulers.:

Daily Star: New Egypt warms up to Hezbollah: ambassador

When even Hezbollah shows more concern for its own position in Lebanon than any broader notion of Shiite expansionism, we should know just how compromised Iran will have become in the face of the Muslim Brotherhood and the House of Thani, making it look like just another fiefdom for jihadists, if of the Shiite variety rather than the Sunni one. Ambassador Ashraf Hamdy wants Hezbollah to limit its ambitions to the defense of Lebanon, but if other Shiites get the idea to step in themselves, then by definitions, a diplomatic disaster will await Hamdy. Sunni sympathizers to Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Mohammed Badie could steadily sway that small country toward Egypt, turning Israel’s strategists further south in the process. President Muhammad Morsi might not even need nuclear bombs to find himself and his associates trapped in the face of Egypt’s economic turbulence, and as they flounder, an avalanche of criticism could churn throughout that country… and spill elsewhere.:

Ahram: Egypt media: Politics and the growth of polarization
British Broadcasting Corporation: Libya Coptic church blast kills two Egyptians

Media outlets have sprouted past any coordinated crackdowns, and the Islamists are now chanting about media purification. Salafi-sympathetic sheikhs launched their own media programs to attempt to counter any more Sharia-unfriendly groups, criticizing them as working in personal indiscretions or foreign advancements. Other media businesspersons, presumably including Copts, are developing their own criticisms of the Muslim Brotherhood’s milieu, but other jihadists could start to accelerate their agendas, as Libya may be about to learn. The church in Misrata has migrant workers from Egypt attending it, and as far as we can tell, Libyan President Muhammad Magarief is still struggling to extend his authority and power to secure it from, say, Al-Qaeda. Whereas the Muslim Brotherhood and Qatar favor empowering and rallying Muslims in order to work against the Anglosphere, France, Israel, and pretty much all of their enemies, Al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba, or other jihadists could favor striking more directly in order to lead the way to a glorious empire under Allah, necessitating constant attention from the Senate Homeland Security Committee, among other groups.:

Fox News Channel: Senate Committee Report on Benghazi Terrorist Attack Faults State Department

The report is fascinating to ponder, starting with America’s intelligence networks throughout North Africa. We gathered information pointing us to the conclusion that Benghazi “was increasingly dangerous and unstable”, reviewing “dozens of classified intelligence reports… between February 2011 and September 11, 2012”. Eric Nordstrom, who advised Ambassador Chris Stevens on security matters, had a list of more than 200 incidents involving militias, protests with hundreds of people, and temporary detentions of American diplomatic personnel. Meanwhile, Sharia terrorists went after British diplomats, the Red Cross, and the Tunisian consulate, the last because Tunisian artists supposedly attacked Islam, but there wasn’t enough “actionable intelligence” to tell whether they were affiliated with Ayman Al-Zahawiri’s core group or constituted their own groups and thus decentralized Al-Qaeda as a concept. They won’t need operational connections to that core group to threaten us, so the State Department would need upgrades to fill any security gaps at other diplomatic facilities, unlike the one at Benghazi. As the threat from the Islamic militias grew, that facility remained open, and no evacuation was ordered, leaving the prospect of attacks against other American diplomatic facilities by Islamists loyal to either the Guidance Office or their own shared ideology. These other groups could begin to encircle the Muslim Brotherhood if they consider it impure and corrupt, resulting in blowback against it and Qatar, and all the Obama administration and America’s other allies would have to do is stand back, arrange any and all necessary evacuations as quietly as possible, and let these Sharia supremacists attack and annihilate each other.
 

BigLutz

Banned
Wow I mean just wow... I am hearing we were on the edge of a deal on the cliff today, and Obama delivers a presser that in essence screws everything up. This... there are no words to describe what Obama has done.
 

Silver Soul

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Wow I mean just wow... I am hearing we were on the edge of a deal on the cliff today, and Obama delivers a presser that in essence screws everything up. This... there are no words to describe what Obama has done.

Oh yes, we all must blame Obama for the inept Congress due to the House Speaker not able to control his own Congress. Just so you know, the US Senate already passed a deal and we are waiting for the House to pass it. However, we are not sure if the House Republicans will agree to it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/us-fiscal-cliff_n_2393102.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
 

BigLutz

Banned
Oh yes, we all must blame Obama for the inept Congress due to the House Speaker not able to control his own Congress. Just so you know, the US Senate already passed a deal and we are waiting for the House to pass it. However, we are not sure if the House Republicans will agree to it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/01/us-fiscal-cliff_n_2393102.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

It might be helpful to point out I posted that YESTERDAY before the Senate passed his bill, and when Obama's little idiotic pep rally was enough to possibly kill the deal. Hell Politico was calling Obama "Leon Lett" as a reference to the Cowboys Player that spiked the football in celebration BEFORE he got to the endzone. What Obama did was beyond stupid, and jeopardized the country. But as we should know by now, Obama is not the sharpest tool when it comes to fiscal negotiations.
 

Silver Soul

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It might be helpful to point out I posted that YESTERDAY before the Senate passed his bill, and when Obama's little idiotic pep rally was enough to possibly kill the deal. Hell Politico was calling Obama "Leon Lett" as a reference to the Cowboys Player that spiked the football in celebration BEFORE he got to the endzone. What Obama did was beyond stupid, and jeopardized the country. But as we should know by now, Obama is not the sharpest tool when it comes to fiscal negotiations.

Jeopardize the country?! Now that's a laugh. You call Obama not the sharpest tool but you had a Senate Minority Leader filibustering his OWN bill after his bluff was called out and the House Speaker presented the bill that pissed off the Tea Party. If anything, Obama may have been playing political chess this whole time.

Oh and by the way, the House passed the bill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/....html?utm_hp_ref=politics&utm_hp_ref=politics
 

BigLutz

Banned
Jeopardize the country?! Now that's a laugh. You call Obama not the sharpest tool but you had a Senate Minority Leader filibustering his OWN bill after his bluff was called out and the House Speaker presented the bill that pissed off the Tea Party. If anything, Obama may have been playing political chess this whole time

Lets look at what Obama has done.

2011 with the debt ceiling. He had a massive deal in his reach including 800 billion in new tax revenue. It was a bipartisan deal in which the House Speaker had gone out on a limb. With that deal nearly finished, he decides to scrap it for the Gang of 14 deal, with out even checking first to see if the Gang's deal was real. The Gang of 14 deal turned out to be nothing but vaporware, by going for it, it destroyed the deal he had with the House Speaker, and led them to create the sequester.

Two days ago: The Republicans are close to creating a bipartisan deal that they do not want to pass, but will swallow it and pass it. What does he do? He goes out and holds a cheerleading event where he insults the Republicans and Congress despite the fact he needs them to pass a deal they already hate!

If Obama is playing political chess than he REALLY sucks at it. And yes he has Jeopardized the country, in 2011 he sought out the Gang of 14 deal over the one that was nearly guaranteed, as such we nearly defaulted over the Debt Ceiling. 2 days ago he went out and spiked the football before a single vote was cast, nearly causing that deal to be destroyed and sending us over the fiscal cliff. Both show his utter stupidity, and both jeopardize the country's finances in a way that neither of your examples compare.
 

Avenger Angel

Warrior of Heaven
Lets look at what Obama has done.

2011 with the debt ceiling. He had a massive deal in his reach including 800 billion in new tax revenue. It was a bipartisan deal in which the House Speaker had gone out on a limb. With that deal nearly finished, he decides to scrap it for the Gang of 14 deal, with out even checking first to see if the Gang's deal was real. The Gang of 14 deal turned out to be nothing but vaporware, by going for it, it destroyed the deal he had with the House Speaker, and led them to create the sequester.

Two days ago: The Republicans are close to creating a bipartisan deal that they do not want to pass, but will swallow it and pass it. What does he do? He goes out and holds a cheerleading event where he insults the Republicans and Congress despite the fact he needs them to pass a deal they already hate!

If Obama is playing political chess than he REALLY sucks at it. And yes he has Jeopardized the country, in 2011 he sought out the Gang of 14 deal over the one that was nearly guaranteed, as such we nearly defaulted over the Debt Ceiling. 2 days ago he went out and spiked the football before a single vote was cast, nearly causing that deal to be destroyed and sending us over the fiscal cliff. Both show his utter stupidity, and both jeopardize the country's finances in a way that neither of your examples compare.

Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama losses his job.
 

Silver Soul

Well-Known Member
Lets look at what Obama has done.

2011 with the debt ceiling. He had a massive deal in his reach including 800 billion in new tax revenue. It was a bipartisan deal in which the House Speaker had gone out on a limb. With that deal nearly finished, he decides to scrap it for the Gang of 14 deal, with out even checking first to see if the Gang's deal was real. The Gang of 14 deal turned out to be nothing but vaporware, by going for it, it destroyed the deal he had with the House Speaker, and led them to create the sequester.

Two days ago: The Republicans are close to creating a bipartisan deal that they do not want to pass, but will swallow it and pass it. What does he do? He goes out and holds a cheerleading event where he insults the Republicans and Congress despite the fact he needs them to pass a deal they already hate!

If Obama is playing political chess than he REALLY sucks at it. And yes he has Jeopardized the country, in 2011 he sought out the Gang of 14 deal over the one that was nearly guaranteed, as such we nearly defaulted over the Debt Ceiling. 2 days ago he went out and spiked the football before a single vote was cast, nearly causing that deal to be destroyed and sending us over the fiscal cliff. Both show his utter stupidity, and both jeopardize the country's finances in a way that neither of your examples compare.

I would definitely call BS on that since the Tea Party who rallies the base won't like either deal no matter what. Either way in the end, the Congressional Republicans have caved in since Boehner and Ryan voted yes while Cantor voted no which leaves the Congressional GOP leadership divided. I was actually even surprised that the bill actually passed in the House. If you call Obama an idiot then how about Joe Biden? He negotiated with McConnell to make a deal.
 

BigLutz

Banned
I would definitely call BS on that since the Tea Party who rallies the base won't like either deal no matter what. Either way in the end, the Congressional Republicans have caved in since Boehner and Ryan voted yes while Cantor voted no which leaves the Congressional GOP leadership divided. I was actually even surprised that the bill actually passed in the House. If you call Obama an idiot then how about Joe Biden? He negotiated with McConnell to make a deal.

The Tea Party makes up a total of 50 or so House members at most from the count yesterday. And with a Bi Partisan deal Democratic votes would easily replace any from the Tea Party. The problem is your refusal to acknowledge the idiotic maneuvers by Obama that almost led us to ruin not once but TWICE
 

Silver Soul

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The Tea Party makes up a total of 50 or so House members at most from the count yesterday. And with a Bi Partisan deal Democratic votes would easily replace any from the Tea Party. The problem is your refusal to acknowledge the idiotic maneuvers by Obama that almost led us to ruin not once but TWICE

Well, and you are just being selectively oblivious. How many times were there filibusters by a Senate Minority the past years? It's not Obama's fault there are some people in Congress who don't want to do their job and instead serve Grover Norquist There are even conservatives saying that the Congressional Republicans lost as they failed to negotiate the deal and that it was a "complete surrender". And by the way, at least it wasn't a deal that would cut Social Security.
 

BigLutz

Banned
Well, and you are just being selectively oblivious. How many times were there filibusters by a Senate Minority the past years? It's not Obama's fault there are some people in Congress who don't want to do their job and instead serve Grover Norquist

And how many of those times were on issues that if not passed, our economy would be destroyed?

There are even conservatives saying that the Congressional Republicans lost as they failed to negotiate the deal and that it was a "complete surrender".

Well if we were going for a "balanced" approach, that Obama whined about, then it was a failure for the Republican part. As it only has $1 dollar in spending cuts for every $41 dollars in taxes. But in the end I think the Democrats lost much more than Republicans. They spent so long crowing about how the Rich need to pay their fair share. The public bought into it, now they have raised taxes they are going to lose more and more public support every time they try to raise taxes above that level for now on.

And by the way, at least it wasn't a deal that would cut Social Security.

And yet Social Security is still a problem, where is the Democrats plan? I am waiting...
 

ccangelopearl1362

Well-Known Member
Detriot Free Press: How the deal was reached: Friendship between Mitch McConnell, Joe Biden got the ball rolling
Week: Jeb Gonlinkin: What the fiscal cliff deal says about Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor

Hmm… I could imagine that the 50 states of this country are scrambling to devise their own solutions to the burgeoning breakdowns driving the current fiscal fiasco, and it looks like a few congressional leaders are moving ahead on their own. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell was up first, with an offer to extend tax cuts for families with yearly incomes of at most $750,000, 35% tax rates on wealthy estates, and means-testing Medicare, and when Democrats set the limit at $350,000 – $100,000 above President Barack Obama’s cap – McConnell reached out to “his longtime Senate colleague and frequent negotiating partner”, Vice-President Joe Biden, to get him to resolve the deal. The final upper limit set by Obama was $450,000, and just after midnight on Monday, Biden and McConnell ended up agreeing on almost every outstanding issue other than those sequestration cuts. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor clearly opposed this, countering Speaker John Boehner’s negotiation efforts, but they could close ranks in any future congressional votes. Perhaps more interestingly, it was Wisconsin Representative Paul Ryan who cited prudence in supporting this deal, aligning himself with other insiders, telling some, if not many, that he wants a shot at 2016. The irony would be stark as the very steps that the Obama administration and other Democrats pursue in order to preserve whatever government programs are currently in place end up pushing them further along toward implosion, further necessitating a push toward open flows of information with as little pain as possible.:

New York Times: Illinois Governor Seeks Fast Vote on State’s Long-Troubled Pension Systems
New York Times: California Manufacturers Weight Costs of New Greenhouse Gas Rules

Give California and Illinois the credit for test-driving the Democrats’ political projects for the rest of America. California has a law for emissions from companies ranging from oil refiners to cement makers to tomato processors, having gone into effect yesterday, and said companies are attempting to calculate the impact for their profits, with Chinese tomato processors looming for the people in question. Morning Star, a company behind those aforementioned tomato production facilities across California, needs a set number of free allowances that is scheduled to drop in order to encourage cuts to emissions toward 2017 and 2018, “by which time the prices may have doubled or tripled in an open market”, but emission and efficiency standards have contributed to the growth of catalytic converters, presumably in other states. China’s tomato processors could outdo these regulations, thereby pushing them to the brink of bankruptcy, and that’s assuming that other countries don’t step up, so California’s congresspersons may be safely keeping an eye on these regulations. Illinoisans may have even less relief because their pensions are entirely underfunded, and Democrats there, led by Governor Pat Quinn, are tackling the issue, describing it as Illinois’ own fiscal cliff and calling for a vote overhauling the pension system in the state legislature by this upcoming week. The proposals include an increased workers’ retirement age and pension cost transfers for teachers outside Chicago to their local school districts, which could leave President Barack Obama in a bit of a bind. He could get an unintentional nudge from new Kansas Governor Sam Brownback as we get deeper into this year.:

Wichita Eagle: Brad Cooper and Brent Wistrom: Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback: Betting on a bold agenda
Wichita Eagle: Brent Wistrom: Brownback’s life permeated by his strong personal faith

Brownback thought it a good idea to cut income taxes, eliminate the parole board and transfer all human resource managers to Kansas’ Department of Administration, and give private insurance companies opportunities to manage Medicaid in that state. A legislative majority of Republicans sympathetic to the Tea Partiers’ standard platform stands ready to support him, building on his agenda since 2010, including what he calls “targeted spending”. Kansas apparently went to a surplus of $500 million, and Brownback could want to figure out how to shield and streamline education, public safety, and necessary medical services. A surge in programs involving Christian networks could encourage broader societal participation alongside Brownback, continuing from a “Day of Restoration” held near his official mansion. He attempted to include faith-based programs in his social services agenda and match prisoners with religious and secular mentors so that they won’t commit crimes that land them back in jail, following in the footsteps of earlier leaders such as Nehemiah Green and Edward Hoch. Technology and modernization could very well speed up these efforts to connect with other Christian leaders across the United States and in other areas of the world, especially North Africa and the Middle East.
 

Silver Soul

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As much as I like to discuss about the aftermat as well as your denial, I have something to post here. House GOP didn't vote on the Hurricane Sandy aid and NJ Governor Christie is NOT happy. As a NJ citizen, I agree with him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...013/01/02/chris-christie-sandy_n_2396537.html

WASHINGTON -- New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) lit into House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Republicans Wednesday for not holding a vote on a Hurricane Sandy relief bill.

"There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner," he said. "This is not a Republican or Democratic issue. Natural disasters happen in red states and blue states and states with Democratic governors and Republican governors. We respond to innocent victims of natural disasters, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Or at least we did until last night. Last night, politics was placed before oaths to serve our citizens. For me, it was disappointing and disgusting to watch."

House Republicans declined to schedule a vote for Sandy aid Tuesday night, after voting to pass a fiscal cliff deal. If the House does not pass a disaster relief bill before noon on Thursday, when the new session of Congress begins, lawmakers will have to start over.

"Last night the House of Representatives failed that most basic test of public service, and they did so with callous indifference to the suffering of the people of my state," said Christie. "Sixty-six days and counting -- shame on you. Shame on Congress. Despite my anger and disappointment, my hope is that the good people in Congress -- and there are good people in Congress -- will prevail upon their colleagues to finally, finally put aside the politics and help our people now."


Also according to multiple sources, House Speaker John Boehner told Harry Reid to go f*** himself... twice. Classy family values there.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=249B8F6D-1AB7-43C9-95A0-F33AEF1B8ADA

House Speaker John Boehner couldn’t hold back when he spotted Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in the White House lobby last Friday.

It was only a few days before the nation would go over the fiscal cliff, no bipartisan agreement was in sight, and Reid had just publicly accused Boehner of running a “dictatorship” in the House and caring more about holding onto his gavel than striking a deal.

“Go f— yourself,” Boehner sniped as he pointed his finger at Reid, according to multiple sources present.

Reid, a bit startled, replied: “What are you talking about?”

Boehner repeated: “Go f— yourself.”
 

BigLutz

Banned
As much as I like to discuss about the aftermat as well as your denial, I have something to post here. House GOP didn't vote on the Hurricane Sandy aid and NJ Governor Christie is NOT happy. As a NJ citizen, I agree with him.

Curious question why are you happy that a bill that should be $20 billion for Sandy, has $40 billion in waste? Christie atleast has the excuse of wanting to look like a independent. But really why would ANYONE else be happy about allowing 40 billion in pork be passed?

Also according to multiple sources, House Speaker John Boehner told Harry Reid to go f*** himself... twice. Classy family values there.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=249B8F6D-1AB7-43C9-95A0-F33AEF1B8ADA

As terrible of a person as Harry Reid is, he got off light.
 

BigLutz

Banned
Weren't you the one that was complaining in the election thread about Obama swearing?

I believe I was making the point it was undignified for the office, that the Office of the Presidency is something special that requires those in it to hold themselves to a higher standard. The same cannot be said for the Speaker's Office which has always been something less dignified and more dirty as it is used to get votes.
 

ebilly99

Americanreigon champ
Curious question why are you happy that a bill that should be $20 billion for Sandy, has $40 billion in waste? Christie atleast has the excuse of wanting to look like a independent. But really why would ANYONE else be happy about allowing 40 billion in pork be passed?



As terrible of a person as Harry Reid is, he got off light.

Can we look at the funding that was to go to NY and NJ. I mean one mans pork is anothers necessity. Do you have a link.
 

BigLutz

Banned

ebilly99

Americanreigon champ
That seems to be what the bill coming Friday will do just provide the actual sandy funding and cut out the pork for the other states. Here is some info on the senate bill

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/national/little_help_here_1kW6aQ8fElj4CKwbheEV0N

%0.7 percent of what was shown was pork. While there is some pork there I do not think it was huge enough to call super pork and kill the plan. However if it had been a Defense plan then no debate would have been needed.
 
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