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Amourshipping Thread V3

Morax

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Morax

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People have been speculating at Ash's exit from the anime for 2 decades now. It feels unlikely, but so did the Alola league. I'd caution anyone from thinking that his retirement would automatically mean a scene with Ash and Serena together, especially if she never appears at all in Journeys. I suppose it might be possible for her to appear towards the end and coax Ash into settling down, but that's hard to really say.
Can someone explain to me how serena not appearing in journeys or the season after that prevents amour from being the endgame ship? They could just give us a timeskip. The whole process of ‘MC reciprocating her feelings’ don’t need to happen onscreen. A lot of (shounen) anime do this, attack on titan being the most recent example of it.
 

Manqoba

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Can someone explain to me how serena not appearing in journeys or the season after that prevents amour from being the endgame ship? They could just give us a timeskip. The whole process of ‘MC reciprocating her feelings’ don’t need to happen onscreen. A lot of (shounen) anime do this, attack on titan being the most recent example of it.
Yeah, it's all about building context. Marrying Ash off to a character that hasn't been seen in 5 years is a lot less likely than marrying him to a character that's active in the series. For a lot of viewers, especially the target demographic who haven't been alive, let along watching for even half of the anime's nearly 25-year history, this would be a completely random development. It's fair to argue that reciprocity and relationship development don't need to happen on-screen, but the character needs to be around in some form or it'll look completely out of left field to any casual viewer.
 

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Yeah, it's all about building context. Marrying Ash off to a character that hasn't been seen in 5 years is a lot less likely than marrying him to a character that's active in the series. For a lot of viewers, especially the target demographic who haven't been alive, let along watching for even half of the anime's nearly 25-year history, this would be a completely random development. It's fair to argue that reciprocity and relationship development don't need to happen on-screen, but the character needs to be around in some form or it'll look completely out of left field to any casual viewer.
I mean serena was created as a potential wife/girlfriend. Not to mention he is her goal. If she does not fulfill her basic purpose in the story then what was the point of her character?

And besides, for a casual viewer what’s the difference between iris suddenly revealed to be the unova champion and serena revealed to be his girlfriend? Both of of these developments can happen offscreen.
 
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Manqoba

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I mean serena was created as a potential wife/girlfriend. Not to mention he is her goal. If she does not fulfill her basic purpose in the story then what was the point of her character?

And besides, for a casual viewer what’s the difference between iris suddenly revealed to be the unova champion and serena revealed to be his girlfriend? Both of of these developments can happen offscreen.
I've long believed that Serena was part of an option to write Ash out at the end of XY, that ultimately wasn't taken. Without settling down with Ash, she's a character who found a path in performing during her series, growing both in that venture and personally. I agree that her character is unfulfilled at least in part, but the roadblock is in Ash's storyline, not in hers.

Ash is the main character of Journeys (and the anime), Iris isn't. For long-time fans it's development in her story and a nod to the BW2 games, but for casual viewers, she's just another random character of the day, introduced to be x person who has x role and does x thing. Iris could obviously become champion on her own, and her becoming champion doesn't impact Ash's story at all; they still barely intersect. Serena settling down with Ash would obviously have a significant impact on Ash's story since it involves him directly. It's a logical progression in Serena's story, but completely random in Ash's at this point.
 

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I've long believed that Serena was part of an option to write Ash out at the end of XY, that ultimately wasn't taken. Without settling down with Ash, she's a character who found a path in performing during her series, growing both in that venture and personally. I agree that her character is unfulfilled at least in part, but the roadblock is in Ash's storyline, not in hers.

Ash is the main character of Journeys (and the anime), Iris isn't. For long-time fans it's development in her story and a nod to the BW2 games, but for casual viewers, she's just another random character of the day, introduced to be x person who has x role and does x thing. Iris could obviously become champion on her own, and her becoming champion doesn't impact Ash's story at all; they still barely intersect. Serena settling down with Ash would obviously have a significant impact on Ash's story since it involves him directly. It's a logical progression in Serena's story, but completely random in Ash's at this point.
I think we’re giving too much importance to that position. Serena being his wife need not impact ash’s storyline. It’s just another thing that could happen offsreen. She could very well be x person who has x role and does x thing. The timeskip could be her reintroduction episode. I mean that’s how cameos work in this anime? For the casual viewer said character is a random person but for old fans it’s someone they know and love.

You’re taking the ‘demographic’ thing too literally. It’s not like children don’t know who serena is. In this age of internet and online streaming one google search can give you the kiss.
 
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Manqoba

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I think we’re giving too much importance to that position. Serena being his wife need not impact ash’s storyline. It’s just another thing that could happen offsreen. She could very well be x person who has x role and does x thing. The timeskip could be her reintroduction episode. I mean that’s how cameos work in this anime? For the casual viewer said character is a random person but for old fans it’s someone they know and love.

You’re taking the ‘demographic’ thing too literally. It’s not like children don’t know who serena is. In this age of internet and online streaming one google search can give you the kiss.
My guy did you really just say Ash getting married doesn't affect his story?
 

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My guy did you really just say Ash getting married doesn't affect his story?
Edit : i'm saying that serena doesn't need to show her face every season because they will get married offscreen anyways. You don't need to reintroduce her to the new audience.
 
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Edit : i'm saying that serena doesn't need to show her face every season because they will get married offscreen anyways. You don't need to reintroduce her to the new audience.
Every season, no. The season this hypothetical marriage actually happens, absolutely.
 

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Every season, no. The season this hypothetical marriage actually happens, absolutely.
But that’s the thing, It’ll happen offscreen? They can reintroduce her after this hypothetical marriage. “This girl travelled with ash throughout kalos, had a crush on him and they’re now happily married”.
 

Manqoba

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But that’s the thing, It’ll happen offscreen? They can reintroduce her after this hypothetical marriage. “This girl travelled with ash throughout kalos, had a crush on him and they’re now happily married”.
I already went through this clearly man, it's just bad storytelling. It comes straight out of left field and there's no way they'll just pack the reintroduction, relationship, marriage, and domestic life into a few minutes like that unless they're absolutely desperate to end Ash's tenure. A major event like that needs time to build up to it. There were 135 episodes of buildup between their reunion in Kalos and the kiss, but could you imagine how absurd it would be for Serena to find Ash, kiss him, and walk off in the span of an episode? Similarly, it would certainly be at least a few episodes between reintroduction and marriage. Even with a time skip, there needs to be time to re-establish who Serena is, let the audience wonder a little bit about their status together, how well they can handle each other and their past, and whether or not Ash reciprocates, let them have a heart-to-heart together, and then possibly have a time skip.
 

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it's just bad storytelling
Bruh this is pokemon. It’s not known for quality storytelling xD

You think it’s gonna be a major event but it’s not. You won’t get a kukui x burnett style wedding episode, that’s not how this genre (battle shounen) works. Reminder that Goku and chi-chi got married and had a kid offscreen, so did ichigo and orihime from bleach, and edward and winry from fullmetal alchemist and tanjiro and kanao from demon slayer. On the off chance they decide to give us a wedding, they can reintroduce serena right before the ceremony. The whole ordeal wouldn’t take more than 2 episodes.
 

Manqoba

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Bruh this is pokemon. It’s not known for quality storytelling xD

You think it’s gonna be a major event but it’s not. You won’t get a kukui x burnett style wedding episode, that’s not how this genre (battle shounen) works. Reminder that Goku and chi-chi got married and had a kid offscreen, so did ichigo and orihime from bleach, and edward and winry from fullmetal alchemist and tanjiro and kanao from demon slayer. On the off chance they decide to give us a wedding, they can reintroduce serena right before the ceremony. The whole ordeal wouldn’t take more than 2 episodes.
lol man you're the one bringing it back up after two weeks looking for an explanation. You got one. Idk which of those couples went five years/250 episodes without any screentime and then just got married, but I suspect you're just trolling by this point anyways. If you can't see how it might be completely ridiculous to go from no mention of character in years to married within an episode or two, I can't help you.
 

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lol man you're the one bringing it back up after two weeks looking for an explanation. You got one. Idk which of those couples went five years/250 episodes without any screentime and then just got married, but I suspect you're just trolling by this point anyways. If you can't see how it might be completely ridiculous to go from no mention of character in years to married within an episode or two, I can't help you.
>trolling
why do i get accused of this every time i try to argue about satosere's potential future? :(

How do you expect them to handle serena? she's not the main character anymore. Her return would most likely be focused on gou/koharu. How would you introduce a love interest to a new audience without sidelining her in favor of new characters?
 
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Manqoba

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>trolling
why do i get accused of this every time i try to argue about satosere's potential future? :(

How do you expect them to handle serena? she's not the main character anymore. Her return would most likely be focused on gou/koharu. How would you introduce a love interest to a new audience without sidelining her in favor of new characters?
Probably because you're steadfast in your argument but don't do much to address concerns or flaws. For example, I explained my perspective about 3 different ways, and you essentially came back with "ok but what if they did"

What I'd expect and what I'd do are completely separate. Ideally, considering Ash probably won't be written out this series, it would be nice for Serena to have a cameo for a few episodes like Dawn, have her and Ash interact and discuss what happened before, with a resolution to keep on their respective paths but keep in touch and meet again. I'd love some cute scenes of them sending postcards back and forth in future series, nods like that to keep this storyline going and perhaps that would culminate in the type of scene you want someday. What I expect, however, is exactly what we have now. Bringing back Serena without a clear strategy is clumsy and so far, it's been a lot easier for the writers to just not. The elephant in the room is just too big to handle casually.
 

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Probably because you're steadfast in your argument but don't do much to address concerns or flaws. For example, I explained my perspective about 3 different ways, and you essentially came back with "ok but what if they did"
Oh......thanks for the advice :>
What I'd expect and what I'd do are completely separate. Ideally, considering Ash probably won't be written out this series, it would be nice for Serena to have a cameo for a few episodes like Dawn, have her and Ash interact and discuss what happened before, with a resolution to keep on their respective paths but keep in touch and meet again. I'd love some cute scenes of them sending postcards back and forth in future series, nods like that to keep this storyline going and perhaps that would culminate in the type of scene you want someday. What I expect, however, is exactly what we have now. Bringing back Serena without a clear strategy is clumsy and so far, it's been a lot easier for the writers to just not. The elephant in the room is just too big to handle casually.
See the problem i have with serena returning and interacting with ash is that they need to address her confession. She told him that she wants to impress him and will return when she's good enough for him. She wants to be a better person for him and if he doesn't accept her then all of her development would be for nothing. Like you said the elephant in the room is too big to ignore. Ash needs to show some interest in her......
 
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