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Amourshipping Thread V3

Satoshi no masara

Yup, still feeling empty inside
Project Mew finale, Koharu's finale, goodbye episode, and fillers is what I'm expecting after the PWC.

Wait, Project Mew is still not done? I'm not really following Goh's goal and I thought the last episode with him and Gary, it has already concluded and from here onwards, we're just focused on PWC but really? It's not even done yet? As for Koharu, I'm not sure how they are going to conclude anything from her. Is she finally getting something that she wanted to do? Will she be a performer like Serena? Honestly, I don't know how her character's finale should be handled. Unless of course, she continues to be a main character in the next season alongside Goh, possibly replacing Ash, it would be nice to see her actually do something. Still, I feel like her character was underused throughout JN and the whole point of finding one's dream has been outstretched to the point that it barely matters. That's how May and Serena started but those two were able to find something that they can do throughout their respective seasons and both achieved something great. Can't say the same for Koharu this late.
I'm sincerely hoping they retire Ash after this, cause him becoming strongest trainer in the world, then potentially losing to a level 5 Sprigatito will probably bring in more backlash than Leon vs Alain, Ash vs Trip/Cameron/Elesa, Ash vs Alain, Greninja's release, the artstyle change of SuMo, and Dexit combined.

Same, that is the worry that I have here. No matter how strong Ash and Pikachu becomes, there will be a point in the anime where they will lose against a weaker Pokémon because the "plot" requires them to. I'm sure that Ash's dream of becoming a Pokémon master will end with him winning the PWC but I feel like they've already done enough for his character that it's about time for him to retire as the main character. Just let him be a mentor or something and any developments for his goals can be achieved off-screen. I mean, they did so with Serena and Iris and look at them now.
 

MetaMantis

Alolan Scizor
The Project Mew part about him getting to be a chaser is done, but they still need to do something with that, like an expedition or final Project Mew arc or something.

Question. New to Serebii here. How do I quote stuff?
 

Satoshi no masara

Yup, still feeling empty inside
The Project Mew part about him getting to be a chaser is done, but they still need to do something with that, like an expedition or final Project Mew arc or something.
Okay, that is interesting. The chances of Goh and Koharu being the protagonists of the next series is getting higher, provided that there's something more for Goh to do once he's a chaser and provided that Koharu is able to set a goal she can pursue. I really hope it'd be that way to replace Ash and just let him be with Serena off-screen to spend more time with lol.
Question. New to Serebii here. How do I quote stuff?

You can click on the reply at the lower right of the post you want to quote, you can also highlight certain paragraph and click on reply like what I did here.
 
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Satoshi no masara

Yup, still feeling empty inside
Better option. They timeskip to Ash's wedding, then next series follows Ash and Serena's kid as he/she goes through the Scarlet and Violet region.
That's the best case scenario but for now I'll settle with just him continuing his journey with Serena off-screen and develop as a character. By the time we see him return for a cameo, he's much matured now like Serena back in JN105
 

MetaMantis

Alolan Scizor
That's the best case scenario but for now I'll settle with just him continuing his journey with Serena off-screen and develop as a character. By the time we see him return for a cameo, he's much matured now like Serena back in JN105
Yeah my scenario was just hopium, but if it did happen, it would be a beautiful end to Ash's story.
 

Mega Ampharos the Dragon

Electric type Enthusiast
I mean if they go back to gym format in gen 9 then there’s more reason to treat JN as non-canon.

They can have SV start right after Alola, then they can easily downplay (or retcon) his Alola League win from there LMAO
What if they not only have JN non-canon, but also retcon Alola and the SV region happens right after Kalos
 

Satoshi no masara

Yup, still feeling empty inside
What if they not only have JN non-canon, but also retcon Alola and the SV region happens right after Kalos
And M21 and M22 are actually the continuity after XY&Z. Tomiyasu-verse confirmed non-canon. We going back to the Yajima-verse baby! AG and Serena kissing Ash are now canon again

Well, that's enough copium for now. Pass the salt plz....
 

MetaMantis

Alolan Scizor
Honestly I would have everything after the end of DP as non canon or as an au. The tone or something of the anime changed once BW started and the anime has felt disconnected to OS-DP ever since.
I would keep it in the same universe, and up continuity to the max, with Ash's old mons returning in random battles every so often.
 

Blood Red

【推しの子】
Let's just say some animators are not happy with the way how things are going since JN115 and they are expressing it subtly. It's Kalos league all over again.
What sort of 'backlash' are we talking about here?
I feel that anipoke PR right now are tone-deaf. Ever since JN115 aired, it has received a ton of backlash. They even have the audacity of posting these, lmao. I mean, just look at majority of the replies. Yikes.


I got off-topic there but to get back, at this point, my only hope for a Serena return that may be beneficial to amourshipping is by the time we are past Tomiyasu-era. Maybe I should also treat this season as a parallel universe like many people are doing
They are, indeed, tone-deaf as all hell.
 

Speed22

Well-Known Member
tbh at this point, I think it's inevitable that Serena's crush will eventually be painted over by this anime. I wish I had more hope for this show, but the AG retcon being sorta 'finalized' really takes any wind out of my sails. Unless there's a huge shift in this show at the production level itself, I don't really see them ever going back to something as 'mature' as Amourshipping.

Even then, I wouldn't be surprised if some tone-deaf exec decided to replicate Serena's popularity by demanding that yet another female companion be given a romantic subplot with Ash, rather than building up on something that already exists.
That decision won't be coming from execs. It'll be from the production team themselves, since JN has proven that they don't give a damn about shilling the current gen anymore, or pleasing anyone other than themselves and the people they deem to be the "Correct Fans".
I can at least accept retconning Serena's feelings for Ash (at least for this season) but if they have her fall for another guy then that's it. Amourshipping has sunk. There's no going back from that. At least with just retconning her feelings, some future potential director can bring up her crush on Ash and continue any potential development.

As for a new romantic subplot, I think the director and writers will have a hard time coming up with another one that can top Amourshipping. I can think of one but I doubt the writers would be competent enough to pull it off. I mean, it's not too late to introduce Leaf as a potential childhood friend that spent time with Ash when they were kids and shares the same interest
It'll probably happen once they confirm Pearl and change the kiss to a fist-bump. Or even revealing that she never kissed Ash at all.
Some japanese fans are already treating JN as a parallel universe and is disregarding it from the anime canon LMAO.

Now I really want to hear what the staff is going to say once JN is over.
I already have. And no, they probably won't say anything unless it's really ugly. And even if they do OLM and the rest of the production team will probably try and get them blacklisted from the industry.
Considering that Pokémon SV has a sudden change of artstyle in terms of character designs, I do wonder if anipoke will also adapt the changes. That would be nice and I hope to see it happen.


Let's just say some animators are not happy with the way how things are going since JN115 and they are expressing it subtly. It's Kalos league all over again.


I feel that anipoke PR right now are tone-deaf. Ever since JN115 aired, it has received a ton of backlash. They even have the audacity of posting these, lmao. I mean, just look at majority of the replies. Yikes.


I got off-topic there but to get back, at this point, my only hope for a Serena return that may be beneficial to amourshipping is by the time we are past Tomiyasu-era. Maybe I should also treat this season as a parallel universe like many people are doing
That last tweet gets worse:

It's starting to appear that all of this is being done on purpose. Fans like us are not wanted.
Well if they can retcon something like Ash Greninja then more power to the fanbase to deem the entirety of JN as non-canon I guess.

What I’m really afraid of is the writers doing irreparable damage to Ash as a character which affects the story as a whole. Then it might force them to either reboot or drop Ash unceremoniously with no resolution to his character arc whatsoever.
Making him a hyperactive imbecile that stumbles into wins by instant win buttons wasn't damaging enough? Remember the data searching debacle? They don't care about what they do to him, they'll just keep bringing him along for whatever coked up detritus they come up with.
One more weird thing here is that they still show XYZ stuff in their PR material. Newer fans would probably want to see how Ash and Alain fought (there’s probably a lot in youtube) and discover that Ash’s Greninja had a special form that isn’t present in JN.
Yeah, because they're trolling XY fans! That's all they want to do now! And the SM Stans love it, because we're the toxic ones who harass anyone in the way of our precious pairing, our overrated fan-fic frog and our toxic gary-stu Ash. Meanwhile, they love the flawed relatable child who acts like a true 10 year old (Never mind that no 10 year old I've met acts even remotely like SM Ash.), and the heartwarming family connection with his papa Kukui and his true mother Burnett.
Even newer fans are aware of Ash Greninja and even Amourshipping.

Don't forget that there are full episodes of the anime that are uploaded on the official Japanese Pokemon channel (we can't see them because it's limited to Japanese only but I can show you with a VPN). I think it was meant to celebrate the upcoming 25 years anniversary of the anime last year so they uploaded 3 episodes of each saga iirc.

Ash Greninja vs Mega Sceptile is one of the most viewed episode with 5.3 M views, it was the most viewed before the backstory episode of Pikachu as a Pichu came around.

Same for Amourshipping, the Aria vs Serena episode is uploaded (this one episode where Ash talks to Serena at night and got referenced in JN105) it got 2M views (2nd most viewed XY's episode, more views than XY EP001) and the most reviewed part is when Miette is teasing Serena.

Ash Greninja vs Sceptile

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Serena vs Aria (with the most replayed part)

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So... Yeah any random Japanese fan can watch these two episodes for free on Youtube. Two episodes with Ash Greninja and Amourshipping (kinda) as the focus each.



25th anniversary of the anime, nothing too deep tbh.
Doesn't matter if the people running the show hate XY with every fibre of their being and pander to those who do the same thing.
What sort of 'backlash' are we talking about here?

They are, indeed, tone-deaf as all hell.
I heard a few expressing something along the lines of doing one episode they really like, and the next is something they really don't want to work on.

They're not tone-deaf, their number one priority is to get rid of the toxic XY fans who like the wrong series and harass people including VA's and staff over writing decisions. Never mind that some of us tried to give the holy bible that is Sun and Moon a chance. But since we didn't like it, we are heretics that need to be crucified and burned at the stake for speaking or thinking such heresy!

Well ok, not really. But that's what the current "Older audience" is looking like right this second.

This is revenge in more ways than one. And while a lot of the SM cult talk I had is an over-exaggeration, what isn't being over-exaggerated is the fact that SM, JN and the PWC is the staff's revenge against the XY fans for the Kalos League reaction. And SM and JN stans are starting to live vicariously through the staff, and this hollow shell masquerading as Ash.
 

cricketlaxwolvesbandy

2022 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS!
they love the flawed relatable child who acts like a true 10 year old (Never mind that no 10 year old I've met acts even remotely like SM Ash.),
Yeah SM and JN Ash acts like he’s five
 

Blood Red

【推しの子】
That decision won't be coming from execs. It'll be from the production team themselves, since JN has proven that they don't give a damn about shilling the current gen anymore, or pleasing anyone other than themselves and the people they deem to be the "Correct Fans".
Just wanna leave this here, but the production team listens to the bigwigs; they sorta have to, otherwise they'd all lose their jobs
 

Mega Ampharos the Dragon

Electric type Enthusiast
That decision won't be coming from execs. It'll be from the production team themselves, since JN has proven that they don't give a damn about shilling the current gen anymore, or pleasing anyone other than themselves and the people they deem to be the "Correct Fans".

It'll probably happen once they confirm Pearl and change the kiss to a fist-bump. Or even revealing that she never kissed Ash at all.

I already have. And no, they probably won't say anything unless it's really ugly. And even if they do OLM and the rest of the production team will probably try and get them blacklisted from the industry.

That last tweet gets worse:

It's starting to appear that all of this is being done on purpose. Fans like us are not wanted.

Making him a hyperactive imbecile that stumbles into wins by instant win buttons wasn't damaging enough? Remember the data searching debacle? They don't care about what they do to him, they'll just keep bringing him along for whatever coked up detritus they come up with.

Yeah, because they're trolling XY fans! That's all they want to do now! And the SM Stans love it, because we're the toxic ones who harass anyone in the way of our precious pairing, our overrated fan-fic frog and our toxic gary-stu Ash. Meanwhile, they love the flawed relatable child who acts like a true 10 year old (Never mind that no 10 year old I've met acts even remotely like SM Ash.), and the heartwarming family connection with his papa Kukui and his true mother Burnett.

Doesn't matter if the people running the show hate XY with every fibre of their being and pander to those who do the same thing.

I heard a few expressing something along the lines of doing one episode they really like, and the next is something they really don't want to work on.

They're not tone-deaf, their number one priority is to get rid of the toxic XY fans who like the wrong series and harass people including VA's and staff over writing decisions. Never mind that some of us tried to give the holy bible that is Sun and Moon a chance. But since we didn't like it, we are heretics that need to be crucified and burned at the stake for speaking or thinking such heresy!

Well ok, not really. But that's what the current "Older audience" is looking like right this second.

This is revenge in more ways than one. And while a lot of the SM cult talk I had is an over-exaggeration, what isn't being over-exaggerated is the fact that SM, JN and the PWC is the staff's revenge against the XY fans for the Kalos League reaction. And SM and JN stans are starting to live vicariously through the staff, and this hollow shell masquerading as Ash.
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Morax

Mad dog of shimano
Yeah SM and JN Ash acts like he’s five
I wanted to ignore this fandom but someone needs to put this out there. Acting like a child doesn't instantly make a 'bad' character. Why do you think Monkey D Luffy is such a fan favourite? Because he's placed in direct juxtaposition to the world around him. He's been called delusional, pretentious and naive for his ambitions and yet he never stops believing. He's willing to do what nobody is.

It's how you use these characters that matters the most. Luffy is a dumb kid, in a smart and cruel world. Ash is a dumb kid, in a dumber world. Pokemon is just a poorly written anime.
 

Heekful

Well-Known Member
No May is treated the worst but it’s not the staffs fault

…No ? 14 years of not showing up is a thing yes but so far May appeared in 5 episodes ever since the end of AG.

I don’t even think Serena will end up with more than 3 episodes cameo at the end of the whole anime, so May will always be treated better, unless Serena gets more than 5 episodes cameo in the next few years which is VERY unlikely.
 

masdog

What is the airspeed of an unladen Swellow?
That decision won't be coming from execs. It'll be from the production team themselves, since JN has proven that they don't give a damn about shilling the current gen anymore, or pleasing anyone other than themselves and the people they deem to be the "Correct Fans".
Any major change like this would definitely come from executives at TPC because they're the ones who approved the story structure in the first place.

This is revenge in more ways than one. And while a lot of the SM cult talk I had is an over-exaggeration, what isn't being over-exaggerated is the fact that SM, JN and the PWC is the staff's revenge against the XY fans for the Kalos League reaction. And SM and JN stans are starting to live vicariously through the staff, and this hollow shell masquerading as Ash.
I think you need to take a break for a while. These conspiracy theories aren't healthy.
 
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