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Amourshipping Thread V3

Manqoba

MultiShipper
God damn it gentlemen. I expected better out of us.

Maybe this wasn't perfectly clear before, but Mallow grabbing Ash's hand means NOTHING. At all. In the slightest. If she starts blushing over him, I'd be concerned. If he grabs her hand, I'd be concerned. But literally everyone in this series has grabbed Ash's hand in excitement or impatience at one time or another. It means nothing to Amour, and it certainly doesn't mean Aloha (Is that a standardized term for Ash x Mallow now?) has become a cheap knockoff of Amour.

I don't know who's dragging that petition back up, but don't. It likely never had any effect on the decisions of the writers, and certainly doesn't now. It has no purpose but to make this community look bad.

We are not dying unless we kill ourselves. We are our own greatest threat. I want everybody here to be backing Amour without flipping out at the first sign of any remote hint between anyone else. If you can't keep under control, get off this ship.
 

Red Pheonix

Well-Known Member
God damn it gentlemen. I expected better out of us.

Maybe this wasn't perfectly clear before, but Mallow grabbing Ash's hand means NOTHING. At all. In the slightest. If she starts blushing over him, I'd be concerned. If he grabs her hand, I'd be concerned. But literally everyone in this series has grabbed Ash's hand in excitement or impatience at one time or another. It means nothing to Amour, and it certainly doesn't mean Aloha (Is that a standardized term for Ash x Mallow now?) has become a cheap knockoff of Amour.

I don't know who's dragging that petition back up, but don't. It likely never had any effect on the decisions of the writers, and certainly doesn't now. It has no purpose but to make this community look bad.

We are not dying unless we kill ourselves. We are our own greatest threat. I want everybody here to be backing Amour without flipping out at the first sign of any remote hint between anyone else. If you can't keep under control, get off this ship.

Hell, if Mallow actually blushed, I wouldn't be much concerned. Pretty much every Pokegirl has their shiptease moments.

Oh yeah, Tomioka is writing the final episode, right? He was also the head writer in XY/Z, right? Oh and a question, did he wrote XY07? The childhood scene?
 

CDVEN

Average Trainer
God damn it gentlemen. I expected better out of us.

Maybe this wasn't perfectly clear before, but Mallow grabbing Ash's hand means NOTHING. At all. In the slightest. If she starts blushing over him, I'd be concerned. If he grabs her hand, I'd be concerned. But literally everyone in this series has grabbed Ash's hand in excitement or impatience at one time or another. It means nothing to Amour, and it certainly doesn't mean Aloha (Is that a standardized term for Ash x Mallow now?) has become a cheap knockoff of Amour.

I don't know who's dragging that petition back up, but don't. It likely never had any effect on the decisions of the writers, and certainly doesn't now. It has no purpose but to make this community look bad.

We are not dying unless we kill ourselves. We are our own greatest threat. I want everybody here to be backing Amour without flipping out at the first sign of any remote hint between anyone else. If you can't keep under control, get off this ship.

It really annoys me whenever someone brings up that petition. Even if it had like 1 million signs, it would still won't do crap about the anime. I had someone who gave a supposed
'message' to send to the writers in his review of my fanfic. I straight up ignored it, because I knew it wouldn't do anything other than making this community look like desperate, greedy a-holes who rants everything every time an episode (especially a Serena-focused episode) didn't happen the way they want with something happening with the ship. I'm glad that I was able to join you guys, a much more mature amour community compared to social media pages like Facebook.

Anyway, I'm still hoping for a decent conclusion in XYZ47. Regarding on how Serena would say goodbye to Ash, I would like it to be either a hug or a kiss on the cheek. While a hug would probably the most realistic scenario we can get, I feel that a kiss on the cheek would be much more meaningful. I mean, come on! He got kissed by a friggin Pokemon! So why not Serena? I've found out in my playthrough of Pokemon X that people in Kalos would kiss each other on the cheek as a way to say hello or goodbye as said by an NPC so Serena doing the gesture to Ash in XYZ47 wouldn't be that far off. Serena owes Ash a lot after helping her out to come at this point in her life so why not give a kiss on the cheek to her love as a symbol on how much she appreciated his help and support and love from him?

Anyway, I will still remain my expectations as low as possible....
 
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Heekful

French Pokefan
Hell, if Mallow actually blushed, I wouldn't be much concerned. Pretty much every Pokegirl has their shiptease moments.

Oh yeah, Tomioka is writing the final episode, right? He was also the head writer in XY/Z, right? Oh and a question, did he wrote XY07? The childhood scene?

Tomioka didn't wrote XY007 (it was Akemi Omode) but he did the 1st , 2nd and 3rd episodes where Serena decided to leave her house to see Ash.
Actually he wrote a lot of serious and emotional episodes (the Haircut , the ravine episode , the Korrina battle , all the Snowbelle city arc , all the TeamFlare arc) so I expect a lot of serious stuffs for XY&Z 47 but I really feel like Serena is leaving first , I hope I'm wrong.
 

Epicocity

Well-Known Member
Hell, if Mallow actually blushed, I wouldn't be much concerned. Pretty much every Pokegirl has their shiptease moments.

Oh yeah, Tomioka is writing the final episode, right? He was also the head writer in XY/Z, right? Oh and a question, did he wrote XY07? The childhood scene?

He didn't, Omode did, but Tomioka still wrote the first three episodes of the series, you know, where Serena leaves home after seeing Ash on television. The fact that the final episode is scripted by the head writer and storyboarded by the director, who was the one that came up with this thing in the first place, I really see no reason to worry about it. Tomioka may not have written the episode with the childhood scene, but don't think he didn't have a hand in crafting it.
 

Red Pheonix

Well-Known Member
It really annoys me whenever someone brings up that petition. Even if it had like 1 million signs, it would still won't do crap about the anime. I had someone who gave a supposed
'message' to send to the writers in his review of my fanfic. I straight up ignored it, because I knew it wouldn't do anything other than making this community look like desperate, greedy a-holes who rants everything every time an episode (especially a Serena-focused episode) didn't happen the way they want with something happening with the ship. I'm glad that I was able to join you guys, a much more mature amour community compared to social media pages like Facebook.

Anyway, I'm still hoping for a decent conclusion in XYZ47. Regarding on how Serena would say goodbye to Ash, I would like it to be either a hug or a kiss on the cheek. While a hug would probably the most realistic scenario we can get, I feel that a kiss on the cheek would be much more meaningful. I mean, come on! He got kissed by a friggin Pokemon! So why not Serena? I've found out in my playthrough of Pokemon X that people in Kalos would kiss each other on the cheek as a way to say hello or goodbye as said by an NPC so Serena doing the gesture to Ash in XYZ47 wouldn't be that far off. Serena owes Ash a lot after helping her out to come at this point in her life so why not give a kiss on the cheek to her love as a symbol on how much she appreciated his help and support and love from him?

Anyway, I will still remain my expectations as low as possible....

Sometimes I wonder, is the Facebook/youtube/twitter community that bad? Isn't there a person who's screaming everyone to calm down?

Speaking of which, so a Kalos tradition of kissing on the cheek when they say goodbye? Did the writers note this? Probably not, it's just one npc talking.

He didn't, Omode did, but Tomioka still wrote the first three episodes of the series, you know, where Serena leaves home after seeing Ash on television. The fact that the final episode is scripted by the head writer and storyboarded by the director, who was the one that came up with this thing in the first place, I really see no reason to worry about it. Tomioka may not have written the episode with the childhood scene, but don't think he didn't have a hand in crafting it.

I think all the writers had some hand in Amour, one way or another. Some took it more, like Omode and arguably Tomioka, while others didn't take it that much. Still, I have no clue what to think about the final episode, most likely because I have no idea how the episode will play out. I mean I read the plot for the DP final episode but this time seems like a different situation.
 

lane

A Giant Goldfish
So... what happened in the two days I wasn't here? Seems like the thread is starting to implode.

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Sometimes I wonder, is the Facebook/youtube/twitter community that bad? Isn't there a person who's screaming everyone to calm down?

Speaking of which, so a Kalos tradition of kissing on the cheek when they say goodbye? Did the writers note this? Probably not, it's just one npc talking.

I think all the writers had some hand in Amour, one way or another. Some took it more, like Omode and arguably Tomioka, while others didn't take it that much. Still, I have no clue what to think about the final episode, most likely because I have no idea how the episode will play out. I mean I read the plot for the DP final episode but this time seems like a different situation.

1. As far as I can tell, the YouTube comments section when watching raw and subbed footage is full of "I hate the writers so much rn it's not even funny" and whatnot. Negativity abound.

2. Well, they're French.

3. I think that I tried to make that point a bit ago, but no one really listened. All the writers probably do a peer consultation thing or something, so it's not like a single writer is responsible for all this.
 

ThePikaTrainer

Pikachu Master
Yeah, it was more of a group effort with Amour by the writers, not just Omode and Tomioka or whoever else. Though, that makes me think about how many of those writers thought shipping in general was a good idea, or if Amourshipping specifically was a good idea. If the former is the case, then Ash could start getting a new ship every generation. And before anyone says "The Anime Community won't fall for it again!", they don't really care what we fall for. They hype the League every time even though we know Ash won't win, and there are many more fans who were hyped for that than there was for the Amour Episodes, no offense.
 

Red Pheonix

Well-Known Member
Yeah, it was more of a group effort with Amour by the writers, not just Omode and Tomioka or whoever else. Though, that makes me think about how many of those writers thought shipping in general was a good idea, or if Amourshipping specifically was a good idea. If the former is the case, then Ash could start getting a new ship every generation. And before anyone says "The Anime Community won't fall for it again!", they don't really care what we fall for. They hype the League every time even though we know Ash won't win, and there are many more fans who were hyped for that than there was for the Amour Episodes, no offense.

I think they would think shipping in general is a good idea. At the very least, it gives good laugh. What you should be asking is, giving Ash a real possibility of a girlfriend, like with Serena, is a good idea for the writers. If they do, my only solution is a approach I take when I play the Persona games. All girls are viable and it's up you to think who's the best. If not, then consider Serena as Ash's romantic endgame and die happy.
 

DatsRight

Well-Known Member
I like how Serena's goal is sort of a deconstruction of Ash's.

Ash has a dead set quest he's one track set on, namely to win a league and become Pokemon Master, but keeps diverting from it subconsciously to help people, semi oblivious to the fact he gets more gratification from the journey and heroism than any of the potential spoils and glory (Serena was a clear by product of this, since Ash halted progress several times over to let her grow and discover herself, even as a younger kid before he started in fact).

Serena is less sure of what particular occupation she wants and is pretty much just trying everything to see how it goes (even if she's narrowed it a bit to performance quests), though she is more aware that making people around the world happy is her bigger drive and fulfilment.
 
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lane

A Giant Goldfish
I like how Serena's goal is sort of a deconstruction of Ash's.

Ash has a dead set quest he's one track set on, namely to win a league and become Pokemon Master, but keeps diverting from it subconsciously to help people, semi oblivious to the fact he gets more gratification from the journey and heroism than any of the potential spoils and glory (Serena was a clear by product of this, since Ash halted progress several times over to let her grow and discover herself, even as a younger kid before he started in fact).

Serena is less sure of what particular occupation she wants and is pretty much just trying everything to see how it goes (even if she's narrowed it a bit to performance quests), though she is more aware that making people around the world happy is her bigger drive and fulfilment.

Just another rendition of how Serena and Ash have some many opposites, but in the end, still complement each other like how peanut butter and jelly make a good sandwich.
 

Daniel31

HopingGaryReturns
(Serena was a clear by product of this, since Ash halted progress several times over to let her grow and discover herself, even as a younger kid before he started in fact).
Just shows ya that Serena is Ash's favorite and how great she is for him to do that :D

Also never thought I'd see PBJ be brought up in the Amourshipping forum.
 

lane

A Giant Goldfish
Just shows ya that Serena is Ash's favorite and how great she is for him to do that :D

Also never thought I'd see PBJ be brought up in the Amourshipping forum.

You should totally see some of my other analogies from the previous thread, mate. Apparently, I am that one guy who has unusual comparisons to things that usually makes sense, funnily enough. 11/10 Serena has a special place in Ash's heart.
 

Feraleaguehater

Well-Known Member
It hasn't been too lively around here(school, work, etc., don't help). I guess that's how things will remain until XYZ047 airs. I'll also hold off further "analysis" until then.

About the whole Mallow thing...i really wouldn't make much of it. I never considered hand grabbing a type of hint in the 1st place, maybe with the exception of last episode's but that was due to Serena's blushing. Plus, it doesn't make sense to be afraid of Ash getting another love interest in Sun and Moon, but i understand if some would be angry at the writers if they teased the hell out of us again. In any case, i stand by the belief that if amourshipping doesn't sail, no other ash shipping will. At the very least not in the generation immediately after XY...
If anything, reactions to the recent trailers revealed who are the "fake" amourshippers, but hey, i'm not complaining. You ship whoever you want to ship for whatever reason you deem appropriate. Nothing wrong with that. Though i'll personally remain an amourshipper and not take future ash ships seriously.

On another note, i was thinking of occupying myself with some amour fanfics in the meantime. If anyone wants their work read, i'm all ears(...and eyes...). I can give you some amateur feedback if you wish.
 

rfpitagoras

ObsesiveAmourshipper
I like how Serena's goal is sort of a deconstruction of Ash's.

Ash has a dead set quest he's one track set on, namely to win a league and become Pokemon Master, but keeps diverting from it subconsciously to help people, semi oblivious to the fact he gets more gratification from the journey and heroism than any of the potential spoils and glory (Serena was a clear by product of this, since Ash halted progress several times over to let her grow and discover herself, even as a younger kid before he started in fact).

Serena is less sure of what particular occupation she wants and is pretty much just trying everything to see how it goes (even if she's narrowed it a bit to performance quests), though she is more aware that making people around the world happy is her bigger drive and fulfilment.

My favourite parallel is how serena promesed shauna to win to win for all of them who coldn't, and then looses in the final against a cleary plot-shielded character; while ash promeses the same thing to the punk looking guy and then, well, alain's character shield is more op than that overwath ult everybbody complains about.

What is most likely going to happen IMO is
1)XYZ46: Nothing
2)XYZ47: Farwell
3)Time passes abot half the comunity jumps to other shipps, the other half gives up and just me and TTHN03 a cople others remain 100% ridiculosly stubborn optimistic
4)She appears at the end of SM season 1 (it's like thy wouldn't bring back a character after a season, they did it with a certain black guy we all know and miss love)
5)this thread gets blown into existance ata rate of anew page every 0.36 seconds

Now we have to wait till november 2017 and see
Only32 866 903 seconds remaing!
http://mycount.org/en/?wm=3&inv=3&fid=1
Okay i need to chill
 

CDVEN

Average Trainer
It hasn't been too lively around here(school, work, etc., don't help). I guess that's how things will remain until XYZ047 airs. I'll also hold off further "analysis" until then.

About the whole Mallow thing...i really wouldn't make much of it. I never considered hand grabbing a type of hint in the 1st place, maybe with the exception of last episode's but that was due to Serena's blushing. Plus, it doesn't make sense to be afraid of Ash getting another love interest in Sun and Moon, but i understand if some would be angry at the writers if they teased the hell out of us again. In any case, i stand by the belief that if amourshipping doesn't sail, no other ash shipping will. At the very least not in the generation immediately after XY...
If anything, reactions to the recent trailers revealed who are the "fake" amourshippers, but hey, i'm not complaining. You ship whoever you want to ship for whatever reason you deem appropriate. Nothing wrong with that. Though i'll personally remain an amourshipper and not take future ash ships seriously.

On another note, i was thinking of occupying myself with some amour fanfics in the meantime. If anyone wants their work read, i'm all ears(...and eyes...). I can give you some amateur feedback if you wish.

I guess you check out mine. I'm looking forward to improve my writing so any tips would be great. Please note that there are some grammar and spelling error here and there. Link is in my signature.

Everyone is eagerly waiting for XYZ47. If what the staff members and Masuda were true and not another bait then there's nothing to worry about. I can feel we're getting something good. Just keep those expectations at absolute zero for the meantime. Also, many fake amourshippers are already jumping ship to Mallow, Lillie, and Lana ships, completely forgetting that Amour was the closest one to become canon. Not to mention the only ship when one of them had a canon crush (wouldn't call it crush anymore but love).

No matter what happens, I will still remain faithful to Amour and nothing else. There will be no future ship that can come close to this. Unless the writers are taking drugs and makes a future ship after amour canon. Poor Serena will have the most devastating heartbreak in her life.

If that happens (let's hope it doesn't), I can imagine Serena herself going to her Blue Brock phase whenever someone mentions Ash's name.

Miette: Hey Serena! How are you and Ash?
Serena: *Turns blue* That.....name.....

Okay, I think I want to see a fanart of Serena going to her Blue Brock phase
 
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SoarStaraptor

Well-Known Member
If Serena's era is coming to an end in this series, the staff need to write her off with some disclosure of her feelings to Ash. You can't just have her say goodbye, have known feelings for him since the beginning of time, and write her off like it never happened. That'd be some terrible writing there. There are 2 episodes left. Let's hope they did right.

They have known each other since Pallet Town summer camp. You can't just.. erase that from existence..
 

Neatolzy

Well-Known Member
Everyone is eagerly waiting for XYZ47. If what the staff members and Masuda were true and not another bait then there's nothing to worry about. I can feel we're getting something good. Just keep those expectations at absolute zero for the meantime. Also, many fake amourshippers are already jumping ship to Mallow, Lillie, and Lana ships, completely forgetting that Amour was the closest one to become canon. Not to mention the only ship when one of them had a canon crush on him (wouldn't call it crush anymore but love).

No matter what happens, I will still remain faithful to Amour and nothing else. There will be no future ship that can come close to this. Unless the writers are taking drugs and makes a future ship after amour canon. Poor Serena will have the most devastating heartbreak in her life. If that happens lol, I can imagine Serena herself going to her Blue Brock phase whenever someone mentions Ash's name.

Miette: Hey Serena! How are you and Ash?
Serena: *Turns blue* That.....name.....

I won't jump ship; I never shipped Ash with any previous pokegirl and after Serena I see no point in shipping him with any one in the future (comparing them to Serena wouldn't be fair to them :)). As for people being fair weather, I think that's to be expected; I feel like a lot of people get hyped easily and jump at the "next big thing" btw - nothing wrong with that, a lot of my friends are that way! I think we will get something good in XYZ47 since they have generally been willing to take some risks with the show. Also given what I've heard about "the age of predictability being over" and combined with Serena's choice, I'm optimistic that we'll get something special in the episode (hopefully good news). As has been stated, I think it would be great if Serena comes back when Ash is leaving school and is about to explore the islands. She can meet up with him and talk about her experience in Hoenn and vice versa. Would be nice if in XYZ47 she confesses, he returns her feelings and says something to the effect of they will explore them when she's accomplished what she wants to (in Hoenn). Then she shows up at school and Ash introduces her to Mallow and Lillie as his BAE (that will teach the ship-jumpers)! As an aside I'm kind of surprised no one mentioned this from the new preview; maybe I just missed it:

https://twitter.com/AshandSerena/status/787134988579852288
 

Epicocity

Well-Known Member
On another note, i was thinking of occupying myself with some amour fanfics in the meantime. If anyone wants their work read, i'm all ears(...and eyes...). I can give you some amateur feedback if you wish.

Signature...look at signature....

But about the part of your post I didn't quote, that seems to be the general consensus on this thread, but not really anywhere else, sad to say. At least here we're all level-headed. I do want to say, however, there's nothing wrong with shipping another ship. However, in my case, Amour is simply my OTP and that can't be changed. I might ship something else next saga, but it will never surpass this ship. Then again, I'm also stubborn.
 

Manqoba

MultiShipper
You should totally see some of my other analogies from the previous thread, mate. Apparently, I am that one guy who has unusual comparisons to things that usually makes sense, funnily enough. 11/10 Serena has a special place in Ash's heart.

Ash has a very special place in Serena's heart. That's a given by now. But I'm still excited about XYZ45, because it shows that there's a special place for Serena in Ash's heart. She loves that big dork, and respects him like no other. But we finally got to see Ash has feelings for her. They're relatively shaky, something he might not even fully recognize, but the fact of the matter is that there's something there. Maybe it came from some internal reflection on the events of Seeing The Forest for the Trees after his Kalos League loss. Maybe it came from something during the TF arc, nearly having his life ripped from him. Maybe it just came from the fact that it's so close to the end, and he knows it. But regardless of what triggered it, Ash is being more considerate and sensitive to her, her emotions and her future than he ever has to anyone else. He knows in his heart, on some level, she's special to him. He's going out of his way to be kind to her, and I think that, in a way, he feels he needs to give her wings to fly.
 
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