As you can see, the original post that started the "Ship war" was staunchly opposed to starting it, even going as far as to remind people that it was not an attack on the ship.lets get the disclaimer out of the way, because i dont want to be torn a new one
I have at some point supported all the ships in pokemon. poke shipping has been one of my favorites, as other then amour, it has been the only one with any substance to it. currently i am an amourshipper, but again i am a huge supporter of other ships.
now to the responding.
first and foremost, no, amourshipping is not canon im an amourshipper and i think this. serenas crush is canon, and has been canon since the beginning. amourshipping as a whole is not.
next up, at least at this point in time, amour is the most popular ship. i mean, this thread has been going on since 2009, and has 259 pages. The previous amour thread(V2) was started in 2014 and had 650 pages before being closed. the current v3 thread has around 120 pages and has around for a few months. now i know that people may say that it is due to the anime still being aired, and that poke shipping hasn't really had anything since ashes flashbacks in black and white, but this is irrelivant as these things contribute to popularity. the amourshipping community is currently the biggest. and no it wont take a huge poll to figure out the current popularity all you have to do is look at the numbers.
second of all, advanceshipping and pearlshipping still have followers because they were popular. the only ship that really wasnt popular was negaishipping, as no one really liked iris or the b/w anime. i think it is fair to assume that amourshipping will definitely keep a portion of its fanbase just based on serenas popularity, and the fact that some sort of cameo is still highly likely. i mean 4/5ths of the major ships still have active communities. you act like advanceshipping and pearlshipping are exceptions, when they are really the majority.
third, a reddit shipping contest has nothing to do with popularity. i am going to go out on a limb that most of the people on /r/anime are major anime fans. as in they watch more of the "Serious" animes. and the fact is that most of them probably remember the OS from their childhood, but probably dont keep up with the show today. as for the non vocal pokeshippers on /r/anime they probably dont talk about it because they are major anime fans, who fondly remember the OS, but dont participate in the Pokemon community
and lastly, i thought we already have debunked the flowers as representing as being gracious to everyone who made and watched the show, and that it has nothing to do with shipping. and relating it to pokeshipping is a bit of a stretch.
now i'm not attacking anyone, just stimulating discussion.
I made a formal apology to the PokeShippers. I'm very upset with what we have done. We need to avoid causing conflicts like that.
...But the conflict was nonexistant, and it really never escalated beyond arguing with ourselves, and most wern't really complaining about it. so i really dont know what to apologize for, and also you weren't a part of it, so i am confused about why you are apoligizing. What is their a ship war going on now that i didn't know about. again. i am sorry that i ever tried talking on the pokeshipping thread, as i never expected other amourshippers to start arguing.
and here is the original post i made
As you can see, the original post that started the "Ship war" was staunchly opposed to starting it, even going as far as to remind people that it was not an attack on the ship.
can we please just stop with the pokeshipping ship war garbage. it is really wearing me out, and i really dont want to talk about it anymore.
finally, if we keep this crap up, then we may have the thread suspended again, due to getting off topic. I mean even semi related amour parody songs have at some point gotten the thread closed. the last thing i want is an amourshipping v4 thread.
So why not instead of constantly bringing up the "Incident" on the pokeshipping thread, why dont we talk about something relevant.
Well, yeah, it seems a sensible post to me. Whatever happened afterwards, happened. Let's get with the program...
https://twitter.com/pokemon_memo/status/792615309911830528 So apparently the petition was at the very least acknowledged in Japan. Even if it's ineffective, it's still nice to see it reached 27000 signatures.
i found this image guys https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvN1U5UW8AAQ5sk.jpg:large
do they really change ash face again? or its just being edited?
if the image quality changed again like that i really hope for serena returning in S&M
Well, yeah, it seems a sensible post to me. Whatever happened afterwards, happened. Let's get with the program...
https://twitter.com/pokemon_memo/status/792615309911830528 So apparently the petition was at the very least acknowledged in Japan. Even if it's ineffective, it's still nice to see it reached 27000 signatures.
Eh, i never really understood the point of the petition. It is guaranteed to not do a thing because the company isnt't mandated to look at it. it seems like wasted effort if you ask me. but hey. it cant hurt right?
i found this image guys https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvN1U5UW8AAQ5sk.jpg:large
do they really change ash face again? or its just being edited?
if the image quality changed again like that i really hope for serena returning in S&M
Sadly i'm pretty sure it's edited, though it loooks better
Crazy theory time. It was leaked a while back (thpugh itoaght be false) that gary will be coming back. I the games blue comes back, but he is older. So what of the games and the anime exist on a with like15 years appart. Grenija gets sent from pallet town, has one ribbon (witch is ment to conmemorate a special ocasion). Of course this theory has one problem:cynthia. Unles she found thethe azothphilosofers stone and got eternal youth.
Also worth notticing, the character's name in the demo is a homonim for son
#ThankULys
#LysandreDidNothinWrong
#Tomato&Ketchum
Eh. Even if she did come back, I would appreciate if we got at least a year or two without seeing her. She's got things to do in Hoenn, and her coming back so quickly after leaving just to be with a guy seems rather...inane. I just wouldn't buy her coming back unless she was looking for something else as well, like Alola forms or the Z-Ring (which is essentially a makeshift, albeit more accessible, Key Stone as well, so perhaps Ash will now be able to use Mega Evolution, but that's a different thread and section entirely).
Sadly i'm pretty sure it's edited, though it loooks better
Crazy theory time. It was leaked a while back (thpugh itoaght be false) that gary will be coming back. I the games blue comes back, but he is older. So what of the games and the anime exist on a with like15 years appart. Grenija gets sent from pallet town, has one ribbon (witch is ment to conmemorate a special ocasion). Of course this theory has one problem:cynthia. Unles she found thethe azothphilosofers stone and got eternal youth.
Also worth notticing, the character's name in the demo is a homonim for son
#ThankULys
#LysandreDidNothinWrong
#Tomato&Ketchum
Eh. Even if she did come back, I would appreciate if we got at least a year or two without seeing her. She's got things to do in Hoenn, and her coming back so quickly after leaving just to be with a guy seems rather...inane. I just wouldn't buy her coming back unless she was looking for something else as well, like Alola forms or the Z-Ring (which is essentially a makeshift, albeit more accessible, Key Stone as well, so perhaps Ash will now be able to use Mega Evolution, but that's a different thread and section entirely).
Eh. Even if she did come back, I would appreciate if we got at least a year or two without seeing her. She's got things to do in Hoenn, and her coming back so quickly after leaving just to be with a guy seems rather...inane. I just wouldn't buy her coming back unless she was looking for something else as well, like Alola forms or the Z-Ring (which is essentially a makeshift, albeit more accessible, Key Stone as well, so perhaps Ash will now be able to use Mega Evolution, but that's a different thread and section entirely).
15-35 episodes is hardly enough time to get introductions and solid characterizations and initial starts on goals for characters, let alone add in pre-existing characters into the fold for an arc.
Misty showed up in AG 50 episodes into the series, May arrived in DP 70 episodes, Dawn showed up 100+ later in BW. Assuming Serena does not get the Iris/Cilan treatment (a plausible scenario, given that Iris/Cilan did not receive cameo arcs of their own by virtue of being two characters needed to juggle separate arcs with, and Serena would subsequently have to juggle arc screentime focus with Clemont), then shoot for an arc 60 episodes in, or shoot for a long-winding arc 100+ in once the S/M series has gotten a full grasp on where it's headed in terms of plot and flow.
And tbh Serena coming back after just one Hoenn Contest Circuit sounds pretty damn weak. That gives off the impression that the Contests were just a liability to prove her point, and that her going full speed to see Ash once the circuit was done would just be a tepid attempt at seeking third-party gratification for doing what she said she would do, regardless if she wanted to do it or not. If she's coming back, have it be directly related to her current ventures, ala Misty with the Togepi Festival invite or May with the Wallace Cup.
This is why I think the best way for Serena to return is when Ash's role being the main protagonist is coming to an end. At that point, both have already fulfilled their goals and would be matured enough to understand each other's feelings (if that ever happens). Returning to Sun and Moon very shortly after the departure would kinda feel forced. Sure they can bring back Serena because money but story-wise, there's no reason for her to come to Alola unless there's also contests/showcases or something like that so I might okay with that but like I said, it would make her decision to travel alone to other regions in XYZ45 pointless.
I guess it's one of the negative sides to having someone who doesn't watch the anime translate it. I guess Serena intentionally did confess to Ash but it was through a way for him to be able to understand it.