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An Old Sonic Heroes PC Hack Of Mine

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Sonic Heroes- Team Super in Every Level?

A while back, before I had joined Serebii, I hacked the PC version of Sonic Heroes. I didn't do too much, nothing more than just replacing and editing characters. It's much harder to edit level on Heroes than it is on SADX.

Anyways, here's a screenshot of Team Sonic in the super forms, on the Seaside Hill introduction.
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A note to mods: I did read over the rules before posting this, and I couldn't find anything against. Just if there is a problem, lemme know.
 
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Wes

Iblis Wings
...Knuckles in his super form is pink flashing you know if you played S3&K....
 
Actually, it's red to pink to grey/silver. =P

I know what Super Knuckles looks like, being the Sonic fan I am. It's just, I always though Super Knuckles would better in gold, along the same lines as Super Sonic. Besides, it would be pretty darn hard to implement the flashyness of Super Knuckles or Tails; yet alone the flickies.
 

Wes

Iblis Wings
Well nice hack nontheless. Not bad at all.
 

Hero of Legend

Advanced Missingno.
Well at least Tails and Knucles to me look more super than they did in the Metal Overlord battle, wicked hack!

Also I noticed that the shadows for the characters are circles in that version like in Shadow the hedgehog!
 

Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
I noticed they don't have their feet touching the ground..... I take it you took their animations straight from the Metal Overlord battle, right?
 

Vortex

*Insert Usertitle*
Hero of legend said:
Well at least Tails and Knucles to me look more super than they did in the Metal Overlord battle, wicked hack!

Also I noticed that the shadows for the characters are circles in that version like in Shadow the hedgehog!

Manly because they weren't in super form in the Metal Overlord battle. =P They just were able to keep up with Super Sonic because they were serving off his power, I'm not sure if three characters could go super with the Chaos Emeralds... I'm guessing only two at a time.

I noticed they don't have their feet touching the ground..... I take it you took their animations straight from the Metal Overlord battle, right?

It would seem like it, I dunno, I'll let him answer that though heh lol.

Personally as a huge Sonic fan I like Super Knuckles better pick, it just seems too... well weird with them ALL gold. Super Sonic, Mecha Sonic, and Tails are already some sort of goldish, at least Knuckles and Shadow aren't. But anyway, pretty sweet hack!
 

Slypher

Well-Known Member
That's pretty decent, you should join the Sonic research hacking community if you like hacking Sonic games or games in general. Another then that, is it just a model change or do they actually function when you play them in the level?
 

Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
Vortex said:
Manly because they weren't in super form in the Metal Overlord battle. =P They just were able to keep up with Super Sonic because they were serving off his power, I'm not sure if three characters could go super with the Chaos Emeralds... I'm guessing only two at a time.

Actually, that's rather debatable, considering Knuckles gained the ability to launch fire balls. As for three characters going super.... didn't Biolizard absorb energy from the Chaos Emeralds at the end of Sonic Adventure 2? That'd make three at once along with Sonic and Shadow.
 

Vortex

*Insert Usertitle*
Yes but we have seen Tails and Knuckles' super forms in games, they don't look like they do in Heroes... plus Tails has flickies and such, and can only go super with the Super Emeralds which aren't in Heroes.

And the Biolizard prolly only abosorbed negative enegy like Perfect Chaos for the Final Hazerd was using it for evil, not good. Sonic and Shadow was using the postive energy you could say, and we know Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles would use postive energy. Yes the Chaos Emeralds didn't go gray in Adventure 2 but it can be looked at from a bunch of angles, the Biolizard probibly didn't need all that energy so didn't use as much as Perfect Chaos. Not to mention Final Hazerd wasen't even a super form, its just a transformation which dosen't even require much, its main purpose was to attach itself to the ARK and enhance its powers using the Chaos Emeralds, not much. Plus in Sonic X the Chaos Emeralds from Perfect Chaos didn't even turn gray after Chaos sucked up their negative energy, yet Sonic X isn't canon to the video game storylines (and thank god for that =P), but I thought I point that out.

And Super Knuckles dosen't shoot fireballs. =P Sonic Rush spoilers: [SPOIL]Super Blaze does though. ;)[/SPOIL]

And we haven't seen evidence of Super Tails or Knuckles ever comming back so at this point its looking very unlikely, plus in the cut scene in Sonic Heroes Tails and Knuckles seemed quite suprised as a surge of energy rushed through them like they didn't even know was comming, as Sonic bursted like a rocket into Super Sonic, unlike Tails and Knuckles. Plus they seemed to just be simple auroras.

Meh thats the super rant for today from me. =P
 
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Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
Vortex said:
Yes but we have seen Tails and Knuckles' super forms in games, they don't look like they do in Heroes... plus Tails has flickies and such, and can only go super with the Super Emeralds which aren't in Heroes.

And Super Knuckles dosen't shoot fireballs. =P

all things considered, those Super Emeralds are supposedly just a gameplay bonus and nothing more. Plus, due to the storyline continuity of older games being so confusing, they supposedly started off with a clean slate on Sonic Adventure. So, Tails may've actually been turning Super with Chaos Emeralds for the first time, and since the Chaos Emeralds are supposed to be weaker than the Super Emeralds, he'd lack the Flickies.

As for Super Knuckles.... since when was Tails able to throw things with an added electrical current? Since when was Knuckles able to punch at the ground and shoot fireballs upwards? Since when was Amy able to pull off the same speedy techniques as Sonic, including the before-inexecutable spin jump? Besides, not like Super Sonic's able to shoot fireballs.

Vortex said:
And the Biolizard prolly only abosorbed negative enegy like Perfect Chaos for the Final Hazerd was using it for evil, not good. Sonic and Shadow was using the postive energy you could say, and we know Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles would use postive energy. Yes the Chaos Emeralds didn't go gray in Adventure 2 but it can be looked at from a bunch of angles, the Biolizard probibly didn't need all that energy so didn't use as much as Perfect Chaos. Not to mention Final Hazerd wasen't even a super form, its just a transformation which dosen't even require much, its main purpose was to attach itself to the ARK and enhance its powers using the Chaos Emeralds, not much. Plus in Sonic X the Chaos Emeralds from Perfect Chaos didn't even turn gray after Chaos sucked up their negative energy, yet Sonic X isn't canon to the video game storylines (and thank god for that =P), but I thought I point that out.

I have a theory that there may be a neutral side to the emeralds as well, making their energy kinda similar to an atom, and just because they're protagonists doesn't mean they'd always be using the positive side. In Sonic Adventure, the positive and negative sides were shown with Sonic and Chaos respectively. In Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow may've been using the negative energy, considering the game was playing him up to be on the Dark Side while Sonic's on the Hero Side, making the two polar opposites. Biolizard, being a mindless, raging beast, could only have neutral thoughts, leaving it to absorb neutral energy. Finally, in Sonic Heroes, it's possible that the old rival Knuckles wound up with the negative energy, while Tails was left with the neutral energy. Like I said, though, just a theory.

Vortex said:
And we haven't seen evidence of Super Tails or Knuckles ever comming back so at this point its looking very unlikely, plus in the cut scene in Sonic Heroes Tails and Knuckles seemed quite suprised as a surge of energy rushed through them like they didn't even know was comming, as Sonic bursted like a rocket into Super Sonic, unlike Tails and Knuckles. Plus they seemed to just be simple auroras.

As mentioned before, Sonic Adventure started on a clean slate, so Tails and Knuckles may've been surprised due to turning Super for the first time. As for the auroras.... I'd say they're kinda similar to those simple auras Super Tails and Knuckles gave off in Sonic 3 & Knuckles (notice they don't change their shape like Sonic does).
 
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Vortex

*Insert Usertitle*
Yamato-san said:
all things considered, those Super Emeralds are supposedly just a gameplay bonus and nothing more. Plus, due to the storyline continuity of older games being so confusing, they supposedly started off with a clean slate on Sonic Adventure. So, Tails may've actually been turning Super with Chaos Emeralds for the first time, and since the Chaos Emeralds are supposed to be weaker than the Super Emeralds, he'd lack the Flickies.

As for Super Knuckles.... since when was Tails able to throw things with an added electrical current? Since when was Knuckles able to punch at the ground and shoot fireballs upwards? Since when was Amy able to pull off the same speedy techniques as Sonic, including the before-inexecutable spin jump? Besides, not like Super Sonic's able to shoot fireballs.



I have a theory that there may be a neutral side to the emeralds as well, making their energy kinda similar to an atom, and just because they're protagonists doesn't mean they'd always be using the positive side. In Sonic Adventure, the positive and negative sides were shown with Sonic and Chaos respectively. In Sonic Adventure 2, Shadow may've been using the negative energy, considering the game was playing him up to be on the Dark Side while Sonic's on the Hero Side, making the two polar opposites. Biolizard, being a mindless, raging beast, could only have neutral thoughts, leaving it to absorb neutral energy. Finally, in Sonic Heroes, it's possible that the old rival Knuckles wound up with the negative energy, while Tails was left with the neutral energy. Like I said, though, just a theory.



As mentioned before, Sonic Adventure started on a clean slate, so Tails and Knuckles may've been surprised due to turning Super for the first time. As for the auroras.... I'd say they're kinda similar to those simple auras Super Tails and Knuckles gave off in Sonic 3 & Knuckles (notice they don't change their shape like Sonic does).

Actually about the clean slate of Sonic Adventure, a lot of people, like myself don't believe in the clean slate. If you look at Amy's flashbacks you can see her being rescued by Sonic while Metal Sonic hunts them down, obviously a flash back of what most likely could be Sonic the Hedgehog CD. Another argument on the clean slate is the simple, "How the hell do all these characters know each other then?" Sonic Heroes, Metal Sonic stated that it was a long time since he saw Sonic and how he could never defeat him, he was referring to all the classic Sonic games him and Sonic fought it, Eggman in Sonic Adventure stating that he could never beat Sonic and this time he won't get in his way.... hmm how does he know Sonic always beats him if this would be their first time they ever met? Of course if you look into a game like Sonic Battle it has the Death Egg in it and Sonic acts like he never saw it, but remember there is a few Death Egg's and they change shape, plus the one in Battle was equipt with Eggman's Final Egg Blaster. Of course a lot of fans like to think Sonic Adventure starts the series over but I'm firm when it comes to all the games come together into one story. Also in Heroes Vector knows Knuckles, his name at least... he yells it during the Metal Overlord fight, but Knuckles never took time to tell Vector his name when an evil robot overlord is attacking the planet... simple, they know each other from Knuckles' Chaotix. And yes, Team Rose and Team Chaotix didn't know each other... but when did Amy ever meet the Chaotix? She could of met Espio in Sonic the Fighters but seeing as its a fighting tournament, they could of never got the chance to fight, plus Sonic the Fighters is a rare game people don't take into account, and Espio never did say anything like he didn't know Amy in Sonic Heroes, remember he is the quite type, he wouldn't even care and Amy had her mind on things helping out Cream and Big and finding Sonic. You want me to be honest? I don't think the classic Sonic games have a mixed up, hard to follow storyline at all... in fact the newer Sonic games has just as many plot holes.

And I'm sure Tails wasen't so suprised to see a super form for the first time... after all, wasen't he the one who was telling Sonic to basically become super? Well he said "Sonic, you should be able to harness their real power!" But he seen Chaos transform with Chaos Emeralds, what was he going to expect Sonic to do? He would prolly have a transformation as well if anything. Remember, Tails knew Sonic could harness a stronger power then Chaos, so if Chaos was able to transform... Sonic would too... and Tails and even Knuckles both knew that.

I doubt Shadow would use the negative charges of the emeralds seeing as even if he was a Dark character, he wanted to make Maria's wishes come true of making people happy, which is not an evil thing, a very heroic thing, he even gave his life, plus he teamed up with Sonic, these are things of good so Shadow would of most likely used postive energy, same goes for Knuckles in Heroes. Yet I can understand where you are comming from the diffrent energy, but the dark energy of the Chaos Emerald shows its true strength in something that is evil itself, hence why Chaos took the negative energy and not the postive energy. If Chaos wanted true distruction, which he did, hence his name, he would of drained the Chaos Emeralds of ALL its energy, I don't think any creature trying to destroy the world isn't stupid enough not to take all the energy just because some of it was icky postive energy, simple, the negative energy was the only thing that would work with him. Also remember, the negative energy is a weaker energy of Chaos Emeralds, stated in Sonic Adventure, when, like I stated, Tails basically says that the REAL energy of the Chaos Emeralds is in the postive side, and its safe to assume that Super Sonic and Super Shadow are equals, if anything, Shadow would be stronger when it comes to Chaos Emeralds seeing as he knows how to use Chaos moves better then Sonic, he knows Chaos Nightmare, Chaos Blast, Chaos Control, Chaos Spear... yet Sonic only knows Chaos Control, he only used it a handful of times, and it took him almost a whole game to learn it, Sonic just sticks to his speedy moves and such.

Plus as for Biolizard also powering up, remember the Chaos Emeralds were in the presence of the Master Emerald, whenever the Chaos Emeralds are with the Master Emerald they themselves grow stronger, an example is in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, they are able to transform into Super Emeralds when they are with the Master Emerald after Sonic does the Special Stages, a fact that the Chaos Emeralds are stronger themselves when with their controller. Now I'm not saying they became Super Emeralds last minute when we weren't looking but they could of gained more energy in themselves allowing all three characters to power up, and as we see in Heroes... there is no Master Emerald. Yes I do hear of Super Emeralds not being canon all the time but did you ever read the Sonic the Hedgehog 3 manual? As we know Sonic had obtained the Chaos Emeralds from Sonic the Hedgehog 2 but in the manual for Sonic the Hedgehog 3 it states in the stroy that Tails and Eggman sence emeralds comming from Angel Island... but wait... don't Sonic and Tails already have them? Could these emeralds they sence be the Super Emeralds? Its possable, yet like I stated the Super Emeralds are power ups of Chaos Emeralds so that wouldn't make too much sence from my end but there are lots of believers thats the Super Emeralds are a seperate set of emeralds and it could be possable, just the Chaos Emeralds are needed to charge their power. Plus maybe if the Chaos Emeralds are just power ups Tails and Eggman could of been sencing discharged energy comming from Angel Island. I will be honest, you can't go by everything in the manuals, they are the ones who screwed a lot of things up, but this is mentioned in the Japanese storyline as well so... in this case... maybe not...

Of course I will give you on Super Knuckles' fireballs... yet I still have reasonable doubt that it is Super Knuckles, super forms are traditional stuck to the fur change rather the auroras. But you kinda made it seem like Knuckles' fireballs are enough proof alone, they could just simply come from the energy he was serving off of from Super Sonic, like the power of flight. The Chaos Emeralds do have limitations, not everyone could go super just because they are there, there has to be a limitation to their power they use at one time.

My final argument. The artical I read on the final battle in Heroes where it states regular Tails and Knuckles follows Super Sonic. =P

But anyway, this is starting to become SPAM... but hey, throwing in my opnions on this argument, heh. ^_^;
 
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Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
Vortex said:
My final argument. The artical I read on the final battle in Heroes where it states regular Tails and Knuckles follows Super Sonic. =P

Which article? Are you saying there was actual confirmation from Sonic Team on this matter?
 

Vortex

*Insert Usertitle*
Eh, some magazine, I'll be honest, I can't remember if it was Sonic Team made... no I think it wasen't, there was an interview with someone from the Sonic Team staff though, prolly Naka.

I just don't see them changing Knuckles' and Tails' super looks. Even if Sonic Adventure started with a clean slate (which I don't think it did) and the Super Emeralds weren't canon (which I know but I make theroies and arguments with them, and try to include them if possable) they wouldn't change Knuckles' and Tails' look when they go super, its how people regonize them, and there would be no reason to make their super form diffrent from all the others, I don't even see Sonic Team doing that.

As for the clean slate, Naka did say he wanted to include as much as the Sonic universe as a whole and expand the universe, so he wouldn't drop the old games. He said the old games should be remembered and such and if they dropped the classic game storyline from Sonic, new fans wouldn't bother with them because they wouldn't matter. So this is why I see the Sonic universe as a whole. I think if Sonic started over at Sonic Adventure it would cause more plotholes then it would clean up. But one thing that does puzzle even me is the Chaotix's cluelessness to who Eggman was... really only Charmy questioned that, if you think about it, in Knuckles' Chaotix, Charmy and Vector could of never actually met Eggman face to face so that can be a theory.
 
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I forgot Imade this topic. After the 3rd reply I thought I wouldn't get any else.

Each character just looks different, there's no other alteration. The reason the characters just have circle shadows is because the game runs dreadfully with full settings on my PC. I had to tone everything down.
 

Hero of Legend

Advanced Missingno.
pika_power said:
Can you do a change of the little pictures at the top into super? that always seemed right.

They weren't super in the first place, they just were at max level!

What I'm wondering is, because they're super at level one, are they even MORE POWERFUL at level three then they were in the metal overlord battle?

Blue Blood said:
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I forgot Imade this topic. After the 3rd reply I thought I wouldn't get any else.

Each character just looks different, there's no other alteration. The reason the characters just have circle shadows is because the game runs dreadfully with full settings on my PC. I had to tone everything down.

Could that be the reason as well why in Shadow the Hedgehog the characters have circle shadows as well?

I just thought the reson your team super sonic have circle shadows is because they don't have shadows in the metal overlord battle do they?
 
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Starter530

Yes I use MS paint
and when knuckles and tails go to super form in Sonic Heroes they don't turn gold they just have like an orb of light around them
 
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