Animals in the PokeWorld?

[boLd NinJa{Koga's Son}]

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I think Pokemon are a replacement for animals in our world. But lots of times, in the Pokedex, some Pokemon are classified as Animals. I mean the Crobat line is calssified as "Bat Pokemon", the Primeape line as "Pig Monkey Pokemon", Zangoose as a "Cat Ferret Pokemon", etc.
Also in Anime, when Ash asks the Pokedex about a Pokemon it talks also about its classification(example: when Ash saw a Primeape for the first time, the pokedex said; "Primeape, the Pig Monkey Pokemon, .....") but Animals dont exist in the Pokemomn world. I think that's wierd. :/
I mean if they dont exist, why are they classified as a kind of animal? Do we need these classifications to understand the Pokemon? Do Animals exist in the PokeWorld ,in some way, at last?

Discuss.

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[jellsprout]

For the last time
Animals DO exist in the Pokémon world!!!

-There have been many fish in the anime.
-In nearly every anime episode, you hear birds. Pidgey, Spearow or Taillow don't make those sounds.
-In Ghastly's Pokédex entry in FireRed, it says this:

A being that exists as a thin gas. It can topple an Indian elephant by enveloping the prey in two seconds.

Even in the games, Indian elephants exist.

There are tons of other examples, but this is enough.

So as a conlusion, animals do exist in the Pokémon world.

 

[RaZoR LeAf]

Animals do exist, but their just pushed into insignificance by the pokemo, which are the main feature of the games/anime/manga/whatever.

Fish in the Ceruelan Gym.

 

[boLd NinJa{Koga's Son}]

I didnt pay attention to the fish at all. I dont like the fact that animals exist there. It's useless, they exist, but they are absolutely unimportant.

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[Nevetszero]

Fish in the Ceruelan Gym.

, yeah i was about to mention those fish because i remember thinking 'hey theres fish in the pokemon world'. but apart from that and the ghastly thing there is just about nothing in the pokemon world about animals, pokemon absorb all the attention. i think that in the old and original days they may have overlooked the fact that having a few animals would be weird and just chucked em all in but replaced half of the animals with pokemon. i kinda reckon it should be all pokemon and no animals because it gets kinda topsy tervy if you know what i mean.

 

[Lupin]

I didnt pay attention to the fish at all. I dont like the fact that animals exist there. It's useless, they exist, but they are absolutely unimportant.

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So in your opinion then, every piece of meat that the gang eats should come from a pokemon?

 

[boLd NinJa{Koga's Son}]

So in your opinion then, every piece of meat that the gang eats should come from a pokemon?

Animals are just in the Pokeworld to be eaten? They breed animals in hidden places to get meet? I think it's stupid. There's one species to fight with and another one to eat. I dont see the sense of it. Yeah, sure it's an anime, and most of them make no sense, but they shouldn't have created an Anime which creatures are based on animals and also put the real animals in there for food and decoration reasons. I mean I also eat cow meet, why shouldnt they eat Miltanks? It sounds a lil bit absurd, but hey...
I love pokemon, but that's a mistake they made, that just causes confusion, IMO.

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[jellsprout]

Oh yeah, something I forgot, the most important animal: the human.

Before you start saying that humans aren't animals, they are. Everything about humans is animal. They can't be plants, bacteria, fungi or Pokémon. A human IS an animal. So it doesn't matter if they remove every other animal, in every anime episode, in every manga comic, in every game, animals appear in the shape of humans.

 

[frodo]

i have an advice : dont think about it
there r no animals exept (humans) in the pokemon world but the animators made some mistakes
in the new seasons the mistakes r less

 

[Gravy]

People use the fish in Cerulean Gym and the St. Anne episodes as examples of recognisable animals existing in the pokémon world, but I could just as easily say that these were examples of when the show wasn't standing on two feet yet. Back then is when things like the existance of numbered levels were brought up and where attacks and battle strengths tended to be handled very poorly. You could just say that those fish being in one or two short scenes are examples of the show's rules not being set in concrete as of yet.
Its worth noting that in subsequent episodes featuring said gym, these fish are all replaced with pokémon.
The bird calls in forests and such are nothing more than sound effects to set a rural atmosphere. They can't exactly have shrieking Spearows calling out every second, so a more subtle sound effect was needed.

As for in-game pokédex descriptions, I wouldn't go by them either. They usually tend to be contradictory anyway.
"Rapidash is the world's fastest pokémon"
"Koffing evolves when it fuses with another Koffing"
"Dugtrio is actually three Diglett triplets"
And so on.

I can buy the human and bacteria argument however.

 

[PDL]

there are definately fish and small bugs, but there are probably few "higher organisms" thay are not pokemon or human beings.

ever notice how unusually large pokemon are compared to their real-life counterparts? especially bug types...

I guess all animals that are under 8 inches in height can live in the pokemon world... although fish can be bigger then that.

there are probably also birds as well since we occasionall hear bird calls that don't sound like they're from pokemon...

 

[jellsprout]

there are definately fish and small bugs, but there are probably few "higher organisms" thay are not pokemon or human beings.

ever notice how unusually large pokemon are compared to their real-life counterparts? especially bug types...

I guess all animals that are under 8 inches in height can live in the pokemon world... although fish can be bigger then that.

there are probably also birds as well since we occasionall hear bird calls that don't sound like they're from pokemon...

Like I said in my first post, Indian elephents exist in the Pokémon world.

And yes, Pokédex entries give lots of bogus, but why would someone in that world give a description that compares to something that doesn't exist?
And in the anime, you once saw a Kabotops skeleton with the skeleton of a big fish, one bigger then the Kabutops itself. So that theory of yours is busted in multiple ways.

 

[Metal Force]

well pokemons are kindda animals ya know (see bellow):
fishs : like feebas
birds : like pidgey
bugs : like ninjask
dogs : like poochyena
cats : like skitty

& many many more ,...........

 

[~Austin~]

Good topic. I have been wondering this for so long. Its so wierd isnt it?

 

[Cipher]

Animals do exist in both the games and anime. It's possible that they simply don't exist in Japan, and only Pokemon exist in Japan. That's right. Pokemon takes place in Japan. The real world is hinted at many times in the video games. Hoenn is the island of Kyuushuu.

The papers at the Cinnibar lab refer to a Mew found in Guyana, South America. Lt. Surge is specifically referred to as being American. Gastly can take down Indian elephants. It is likely that the Pokemon world is merely an alternate future version of ours, with Pokemon running wild in Japan, and real animals everywhere else.

This would also explain the lack of wild Pokemon in Orre, which is supposedly based off of Arizona. Orre most likely is in a future America with new and different regions rather than states. No wild Pokemon in America.

 

[Naraku_Diabolos]

Yeah, animals DO exist in the Pokemon World, as explained above. In my fanfic, they coincide with Pokemon themselves. I have it that the Pokemon look out for both themselves and 'animals'. I have a bio on the Professor from the story on the second paragraph:

Herbert had graduated from the same college Alexa and William went to as well. He wanted to understand how the Pokémon creatures were able to survive in the different environments and how they reacted with normal animals such as insects, rodents and such. It seemed to Herbert that wild animals around the world depend on Pokémon most of the time either to survive from predators or to help gather food. He noted that while in Africa conducting research, wild elephants depended on Xatu that were perched on their backs in order for them to be safe. Xatu had a keen eye and psychic abilities that would allow them to motion towards the elephants with their wings. Elephants would take the signal from a Xatu and would flap their ears in certain motions to warn other elephants that a predator was near.

Here's some other information that I recently added to the fanfic itself (when you see 'her' in the beginning of the paragraph, it's talking about the main character's mother):

Her neighbor who owned the farm across the road, Lyle, had his Miltank, Tauros along with cows and bulls out this morning. Several Doduo and emus were on the opposite side of the field. The Pokémon seem to watch after regular animals and kept guard from coyotes and Poochyena that came by to pick at the younglings. Pokémon protect certain animals that they have relations with from predatory animals. This is how it was in the Elemental Eve continent. Animals and Pokémon lived in unison with one another.

I recently added that litte info there to my story not too long ago (on Word), but not on my thread in the FanFic forums. Why? No one looks at my story anymore for some reason...

Sorry for getting off-topic there, but that was my 2-cents.

 

[Steve]

Pokemon are more or less animals, anyway (besides the aforementioned pokemon in the anime). I figure the only reason that it says pig monkey pokemon is so we have a comparable animal.

 

[Aptenodytes]

Well I do remember in that Ludicolo episode something about cheeseburgers. I doubt they'd fry up a Tauros, so there are probably animals as well as Pokemon...

 

[Shiny Rokon]

I believe animals must exist in the game, but it is hard to see them existing in the anime because when they go to those "paradise" areas they are flooded with pokemon of all types living in harmony and not a normal animal in the picture, they are really pushed back.

 

[sdp]

This has been discussed since the days of red/blue, while there is definately evidence for it to be debated, the answer just makes the most sense as "no".

The fish on the anime, again Gravy already explained the technical reasons, at they just wanted to show something in the water, it used to be explained fish did exist in the PKMN world back in the 1st generation but now we could assume they are just water pokemon, maybe newborn remoraids or species we don't know about yet.

Again like Gravy pointed out, the Pokedex can't be thought of as fact, they have also stated that volcano's erupt when he barks.Indian Elephant might be slang for a dessert phanphy. Which brings us to why they are called "cat pokemon" etc, well that doesn't specify they exist, think of it as dragons in the real world, they don't exist but we know what a dragon is, and we wouldn't hesitate to say a dinosaur looks like a dragon, also just how animals have a taxonomy name, that is the equivilent.

As to what they eat, that is another discussion, but yes while it is sad to think about you are eating a taurus, but it is the sad truth. I can we justify the existance of animals in the PKMN world just for that? What makes eating a cow better than eating a taurus, either way it is grotesque when you actually think about it. There are also many references to eating pokemon through out the anime.

Regions is also a different debate but until proven wrong, no Kanto/Johto/Hoenn is not japan, yes it is based from japan, but it is not japan in the PKMN world, the references to "America" doesn't mean their world is like ours, maybe America is a region similar to Hoenn, or just a big city.

I love the mysteries of the pokemon world, and to debate them, i actually almost finish my website dedicated just on dealing with the mysteries and debating them, because of personal problems it got delayed but hopeully it should be online (with its own domain and server) in just a few months, this is just a teaser page: The Pokeball