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Anime rivals development

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Hanto, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. Thumbs2

    Thumbs2 Well-Known Member

    The pre-DP rivals were great. Even the minor ones. BW's where it went sour.
    I love Stephan and Bianca, and I'm actually fine with Cameron, it's just Trip that gets me. We got interesting bits with him, like the one where he figured out why Oshawott couldn't use aqua jet. But most of the time, he was just bland. And Serperior going from a regular Pokemon to the Flash bugged me a lot. Burgundy and Georgia could have been more developed, but were super entertaining to make up for it.

    XY had a different isssue in that it's rivals were all but irrelivant until Sawyer came along. Trevor barely existed, and Tierno and Shauna were mostly run-of-the mill, with Tierno never even getting a good battle in. Alain was fine, Sawyer should have been introduced earlier. The Serena rivals are pretty forgettable and don't really push her.

    SM's weird. Gladion's less of a rival and more of a guy Ash battles sometimes. The other alleged rivals only appeared once or twice before the league. Honestly, the only real rival in the series is Horacio. And I actually like that guy. Hope he appears again.
     
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  2. Kintaro

    Kintaro Banned

    Tierno/Trevor were really only in the anime because the writers wanted Shauna for Serena’s rival but couldn’t ignore the other two. It’s obvious the writers had no plans for them, but Tierno still had some good battles and his dancing gimmick was decently amusing.
     
  3. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    While that rivalry did have more potential, I'm more disappointed that Bel was hyped up as being one of Satoshi possible Isshu rivals when she first showed up, only for her to do a 180 turn during her second appearance and become a walking meme. It's one of the Isshu saga's worst decisions from my perspective.
     
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  4. Kintaro

    Kintaro Banned

    They made Bianca too ditzy in the anime, the writers literally ran with the dumb/clumsy blonde stereotype.
     
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  5. I thought she got annoying too but I never thought she would be a rival to begin with since she seemed like more Juniper's assistant even when she first showed up.
     
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  6. Kintaro

    Kintaro Banned

    Much like Casey back in Johto, the writers built up female rivals for Ash only for them to fail miserably or become jokes by the end. Apparently the writers think strong female trainers can’t be rivals.
     
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  7. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I know that she started out as Araragi-hakase's assistant, but it felt like she was being built up to be something more, especially right after that Raimon City episode where she encountered her father and she told him that she wanted to continue traveling.
     
  8. Sonnas

    Sonnas Well-Known Member

    I don't think I would count Gladion as a rival since I feel like he's barely in the show alot besides the plot important episodes, unless I'm missing something?
     
  9. BTS_fan

    BTS_fan Banned

    Some people consider him a rival because he's battled Ash a few times and is probably the only trainer in Alola who is around Ash's age that can give Ash a challenge.
     
  10. Sonnas

    Sonnas Well-Known Member

    Ok true enough, though I still feel like he's barely around in the show.
     
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  11. TheWanderingMist

    TheWanderingMist Kanae, Keeper of the Gates Emblazoned

    Neither are any other rivals. This is how it always is. Sawyer and Alain didn't even show up until 2/3 of the weay through the XYZ saga. GAry was barely around during Kanto or Johto. AG lacked rivals entirely until the League, and BW dropped theirs halfway through.
     
  12. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    Gladio seems like the closest thing that Satoshi has to a proper equal in SM other than maybe Kukui-hakase, but he's too old and friendly to be considered as Satoshi's rival from my perspective. I would've liked to see Gladio appear more often in Alola outside of just a few Lilie episodes here and there, though.
     
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  13. Emelie

    Emelie Bookworm

    I think the Chimchar arc itself was great because it had emotional depth and a deeper meaning to it. It was one of the few longer arcs the anime has had. But if we're talking about character development and backstory Shinji/Paul isn't that great.

    The idea of having a rival who acts like a competitive player is super interesting though especially since they introduced online battles in gen 4 which made having a good team with good EVs/IVs more important than before. It's moreso this concept that is interesting rather than Shinji himself.
     
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  14. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    While I liked that the Hikozaru subplot from DP helped give Satoshi another reason to want to defeat Shinji, I didn't like that the emphasis on Hikozaru made him so much more important than Satoshi's other Pokemon during the Shinou saga. I guess it was just one of those things that had to happen in order to elevate Shinji and such, but it still bothered me.
     
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  15. Emelie

    Emelie Bookworm

    Yeah, Torterra getting the boot seems to be a complaint that a lot of fans have when talking about the DP series. Gible was also very underused.
     
  16. Moonlight Starlight

    Moonlight Starlight Well-Known Member

    Gible should been use more being brought in BW traveling with Ash and Pikachu that would help.
     
  17. I think Ash and Paul's rivalry would have still been really good even without the Chimchar drama. That was just an added spice to make the whole thing more dramatic, but it still would've been a well written rivalry even if Ash and Paul didn't have that conflict of interest.
     
  18. Leonhart

    Leonhart Well-Known Member

    I don't know about that. Had Hikozaru's trauma not been involved, I find it hard to believe that Satoshi and Shinji would've interacted as much as they did since they wouldn't have had much in common. Satoshi needed a reason to dislike Shinji, and that was one of Hikozaru's main purposes for existing in DP. Without that catalyst, Satoshi and Shinji's rivalry probably would've ended up becoming stale like Satoshi's rivalry with Shooti.
     
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  19. catzeye

    catzeye Writer's Block

    Agreed. While I do think Ash would have disliked Paul (and would have tried to get in his business) anyways just because he wasn't all super-buddy buddy with his Pokemon, I think having Chimchar there added a extra bit of spice to the plot. Ash and Paul would have still likely had conflict but it wouldn't have felt as significant without Chimchar being a focal point between their two differing philosophies.
     
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  20. BTS_fan

    BTS_fan Banned

    Speaking of Paul, I really liked how he snubbed Barry when they finally met. I wish that it had turned Barry against Paul, but even when they battled at the Sinnoh league it seemed like Barry respected Paul. Had I been him, I would have been salty though.
     

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