Another GSC NB team.... RMT

[SpaceFlare]

Nidoking (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Thunder

Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thief
- Whirlwind

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt

Suicune @ Leftovers
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf
- Toxic

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Frustration
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

Zapdos @ Leftovers
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

 

[Altmer]

getting bored of RS...

Nidoking (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Thunderbolt

I like using this thing.

Aye.

Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thief
- Whirlwind

not really sure if that should be no item.

Indeed, with thief no items.

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Double-Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

meh.

works.

Suicune @ Leftovers
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf

hmm, I'd prefer roar somewhere for cursers.

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Frustration
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

I try to keep this alive so I can sweep with this later on. works

Rhydon (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Rock Slide
- Zap Cannon

Zap Cannon for the sure par if it hits. But maybe Thunder?

I guess.

Team has problems with machamp, and you have too many resters and no heal bell, perhaps blissey over lax to remedy that? (cursegon is the late game sweeper then and blissey the special wall).

You have 3 cc weaks, only one resist, and machamp can easily just earthquake nidoking, who can't hit champ for se, and it can fire blast skarm.

I'd also invest in something to defend against champ more.

 

[.TraX.]

Nidoking (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Thunderbolt

It works, I'm not a fan of non-buffing sweepers that can't take hits from the most common physical offence in the game and have several special weaknesses however.


Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thief
- Whirlwind

Mint Berry, No Item, pick one.


Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Double-Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Or you could invest in EQ or Fire Blast over stalk.


Suicune @ Leftovers
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf

Wanted To Buy: ROAR.


Porygon2 @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Frustration
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

It's an awesome sweeper, I like ice beam or twave though.


Rhydon (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Rock Slide
- Zap Cannon

Zap Cannon is a mediocre surprise tactic that works once per battle at best.


Overall: No hazing/pseudohazing at all, nothing that really scares off big hitters either, huge machamp weakness and too many things that get owned by status effects or have rest to not take heal bell.

 

[asianmang]

getting bored of RS...

Nidoking (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Thunderbolt

I like using this thing.

Thunder is imo much better

Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thief
- Whirlwind

not really sure if that should be no item.

Thief isn't nearly as useful as Toxicskarm in all honesty especially since people will switch to **** that doesn't need the lefties

Snorlax (M) @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Double-Edge
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

meh.

Suicune @ Leftovers
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Surf

Roar/Toxic/Surf/Rest imo

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Frustration
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

I try to keep this alive so I can sweep with this later on.

Rhydon (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Rest
- Rock Slide
- Zap Cannon

Zap Cannon for the sure par if it hits. But maybe Thunder?

Sleep talk/Thunder

Not too bad, although I can see Jolt or Espy getting a growth or two off

 

[SpaceFlare]

Went for g80's suggestions on cune. Replaced T-bolt on nidoking with thunder.

Threw in Blissey over lax.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
- Heal Bell
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam

Not really sure where to place another machamp counter.


Sorry if the changes look rough. I don't have access to my NB right now.

 

[Crystal_King]

too many resting pokes. I'd say putting in a more useful move instead of rest on Rhydon and Skarmory at least, maybe Suicune. Otherwise pretty good team.

 

[asianmang]

Miltank is imo better for heal belling which is what you are using it for. If you want to use bliss, go with Softboiled/Heal Bell/Light Screen/Ice Beam

edit: dont listen to above poster

 

[.TraX.]

Not really sure where to place another machamp counter.

Ditch one of your physical sweepers (cursegon or rhydon, I recommend rhydon).

That way you not only remove part of the problem, you get a solution (and besides if one is getting horribly walled, the other is most likely going to be at least partially walled by the exact same thing).

The problem with this team is still that you have 3 stallers and only one reliable attacker (cursegon is a monster) - ALL your offence is unable to switch in safely to machamp (2 of them cant risk taking a solid EQ and the other has a big sign saying crosschop me please attached).

Also: Blissey is a better healbeller than miltank if your not using a real special wall (and given bliss came in for lax that is the role it fills).

 

[SpaceFlare]

edit: dont listen to above poster

I know better than to listen to a guy like that...

Anyways, so I was thinking of slapping in a Machamp counter over Rhydon. But I was leaning towards Heracross as it can take EQs and CCs, at least type-wise, I don't have my NB right now so I can't check. I was just wondering if this was a good idea.

 

[.TraX.]

Heracross is a decent block for machamp, really lacks the ability to "knock them the **** down" however and also can't take a fire blast very well.

I suggest Zapdos as it is truly a pain for champ to knock down (the key is thunderbolt BEFORE drill pecking so you dont get wtfpwnt by an unexpected counter).

 

[SpaceFlare]

Zapdos? I'll test it out.

EDIT: I will edit my team in here. As well as change up my first post for convenience.

Nidoking (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Thunder

Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thief
- Whirlwind

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt

Suicune @ Leftovers
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf
- Toxic

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Frustration
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

Zapdos @ Leftovers
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt

 

[JJAB91]

not bad....

 

[latios111338]

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[Altmer]

please guys don't spam or I'll edit your post like latios + numbers above

 

[The Mysterious One]

Zapdos? I'll test it out.

EDIT: I will edit my team in here. As well as change up my first post for convenience.

Nidoking (M) @ Leftovers
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Lovely Kiss
- Thunder

It works...

Skarmory (M) @ (No Item)
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Thief
- Whirlwind

I prefer ToxicSkarm. It will annoy things like Rhydons and other things that love to switch in its place. Also disrupts Heal Bell and forces switches and Rests.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
- Heal Bell
- Ice Beam
- Softboiled
- Thunderbolt

Light Screen is always an option over one of the Special Attacks. It is standard...

Suicune @ Leftovers
- Rest
- Roar
- Surf
- Toxic

Since you already have a good P Hazer in Skarm, you may want to sub this out for a Reflecting Starmie or something. It will address the Druidcruel weakness, provide you with much needed support, and will also counter the Machamp weakness.

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
- Curse
- Frustration
- Recover
- Thunderbolt

I would go for Ice Beam here or else stuff like Rhydon, Lix, and other things wall it.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
- Drill Peck
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Thunderbolt


Yeah.

Zappy goes down, your team falls to Machamp. Plus, your team is easily pwnt by Druidcruel (a popular sweeper). Taking Suicune out for a pokemon like Starmie will help mitigate this and give you much needed support to help Pory2 set up. Also, DrumZard would cause MAJOR problems if Suicune was compromised...the Starmie suggestion is looking more and more beneficial.

 

[.TraX.]

Zappy goes down, your team falls to Machamp.

Well played Zapdos never dies, unless the rest of the team is gone.

Plus, your team is easily pwnt by Druidcruel (a popular sweeper).

Druidcruel cannot do alot to suicune.

Taking Suicune out for a pokemon like Starmie will help mitigate this and give you much needed support to help Pory2 set up.

Better off axing Nidoking (the lumbering weakness to everything), than axing the solid snorlax counter.

 

[The Mysterious One]

You got to be kidding me about the sweeper Tentacruel.

@Lefties
Swords Dance
Sludge Bomb
Surf
Substitute

It flat out owns Suicune with a SBomb hit. And when it Poisons, Suicune will have to Rest. And then the only thing that can P Haze is out is asleep. I have done it...MANY times. Tentacruel LOVES Suicunes.

Meh, all things can die. And with good prediction, even Zappy falls. It's not as durable as other pokemon. That claim you made about Zappy is more aptly applied to something like Blissey, Snorlax, or Skarm...

About my thing about Suicune, you missed my point. He already has a PHazing Skarm, Starmie covers weaknesses, can Reflect up against Lax and give your team some coverage against DrumZard and Druidcruel...among others. Nido is fine.

 

[Altmer]

Druidcruel doesn't really HURT suicune. It can setup, yes, and cune will get smacked with a sludge bomb before it roars or none at all if it predicts the dance. Tenta can slowly but surely wear cune out is all. Most cune have rest so it doesn't matter in the long run. Most teams that run cune have a beller anyway or it's a stalker.

Starmie does give coverage against machamp, but starmie gets walled by laxen so bad it's not funny. Suicune takes on zard just fine. Starmie *can* beat druidcruel but it can't roar cruel out and it does take a nice hit from sd'ed sludge bomb while thunderbolt 3hko's.

 

[The Mysterious One]

I would definitely use Psychic over TBolt on that Starmie. It can 2HKO Druidcruel. Thing about Druidcruel is this, if Suicune is forced to Rest, it will Sub (if not already), Dance, and hit whatever it wants very hard. Bliss comes out (one turn of setup), Heal Bells (second turn), Suicune comes in and then Roars. Ouch, looks like at least 3 turns pass for your beloved Suicune to come in. By this time, Suicune is gonna be hurting.

Yes, Starmie is quickly walled by Lax. I faced it all the time. All it needs is to put up the Reflect. Not attack Lax one on one. Lax can wall it all day, but it gives Starmie time to pass some Reflect around. Its there for support, occassional attacking, and providing counters to popular stuff like Druidcruel and DrumZard.

I dunno, just a harmless difference of opinion.

 

[Altmer]

Suicune counters drumzard just as well.