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Antifa and Black Lives Matter vs. KKK and Neo Nazis:A battle of false equivalence

Mordent99

Banned
More Republican bigotry:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ople-with-hiv-should-be-quarantined/23251085/

A medical professional should know better. Ms. Price's idea and inquiry is solely based upon bigotry and hate. Should she get her way, will we next begin to separate anyone who has a medical condition or a life long disease. Maybe next we'd put all cancer patients in one compound, all diabetics in another, and so on. Until the entire human population is segregated into different disease hexes around the planet. At which point the human race would no longer be functional, and within a generation we would be extinct.

But to be fair, her idea does have some potential merits were it aptly applied. So I suggest an alternative going forward, rather than segregate those with HIV or those afflicted with most other diseases, we segregate only those with the worst disease of all into one confined space. Hence forth it will be known as the Bigot Quadrant. We could build massive walls, not to keep people out, but to keep the infected hate filled bigots in. Betty Price could be the first shining member of humanity to voluntarily go through the one way door in. That way she'll feel safe in her future. Then we could ferret all of the other bigots in there as well. Perhaps at long last we would be rid and safe from this scourge upon humanity. And, best of all, our sorry excuse for a President would get the big, beautiful Wall he so fondly dreamed of once he too passes through those gates.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Care to give that list another read, then? they are asking for a number of privileges that white people don't even have i wonder if they want these things because they think there are the privileges white people supposedly enjoy

Yeah, no. Pretty much everything on that list is either things that white people have or white people should have and in no way are they asking for whites to be marginalized. In fact, if you're reading closely they're not just limiting this to black people but they also want to unite with women, Muslims, the LGBTQ, illegal immigrants, the poor. This isn't about putting the shoe on the other foot. It's about leveling the playing field.

as a white person yes this absolytely makes me feel uncomfortable but not for the reasons you think it makes me uncomfortable that these eople are breaking laws rioting and looting and are being hralded as heroes like their the rebellion fighting against the empire or something . they are criminals, breaking laws and killing police and should be treated as such. a reasonable way to fix this is the exact opposite of what BLM is doing

Except they are the rebellion fighting against the empire. They're being profiled, arrested, and killed for no other reason than their skin color, which is blatant discrimination. And in spite of all of that, not only is there no reform happening within the police department or within the law, but people are actively opposing it. I don't blame them for the riots and violence, they probably feel they have no other way to make their message heard.

But to be fair, her idea does have some potential merits were it aptly applied. So I suggest an alternative going forward, rather than segregate those with HIV or those afflicted with most other diseases, we segregate only those with the worst disease of all into one confined space. Hence forth it will be known as the Bigot Quadrant. We could build massive walls, not to keep people out, but to keep the infected hate filled bigots in. Betty Price could be the first shining member of humanity to voluntarily go through the one way door in. That way she'll feel safe in her future. Then we could ferret all of the other bigots in there as well. Perhaps at long last we would be rid and safe from this scourge upon humanity. And, best of all, our sorry excuse for a President would get the big, beautiful Wall he so fondly dreamed of once he too passes through those gates.

Well, that's one disease that could definitely stand to be quarantined.
 
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Scammel

Well-Known Member
Yeah, no. Pretty much everything on that list is either things that white people have or white people should have and in no way are they asking for whites to be marginalized. In fact, if you're reading closely they're not just limiting this to black people but they also want to unite with women, Muslims, the LGBTQ, illegal immigrants, the poor. This isn't about putting the shoe on the other foot. It's about leveling the playing field.

That list would make life incontrovertibly worse for all but the richest black people in America, with stupid cack like Universal Basic Income, re-negotiation of all trade agreements, abolition of criminal records and technology that makes police more accountable, expansion of anti-Asian education AA programmes, and making drug-dealing a non-offense.

Seriously, what drooling moron wrote this dross?!
 

Mordent99

Banned
Since when is obeying the law paramount to fascism ?

"Don't forget, everything Hitler did during World War II was legal."

- Martin Luther King Jr.

Ask question, get answer. Evil leaders make bad laws.

By your justification, the Sheriff of Nottingham was a misunderstood good guy. Sure, he cruelly overtaxed and tortured peasants while in the service of a greedy and incompetent ruler, but having the law on his side made him completely justified and made Robin Hood a lowlife scum, not the hero he was regarded as.

Get on those phonebanks, Trumpkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge

Did it not occur that a party boasting a membership of around 10% of the entire population and the centre of gravity for German political power might have thousands of members who joined to protect their families and frustrate the advance of fascism and later genocide? History has complexities - who knew.


"National Socialist". You just called an admitted Socialist a nice person. Care to take your claim back?

And if you expect me to abide by what I said, I should inform you that a statement made on an internet chat room is not legally binding, something Trump himself clearly did not know:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/14/donald-trump-orangutan-joke-lawsuit-bill-maher

Down with Trump!

have you actually read their list of demand on their website? their demands are insane and would make white people second class citizens in the us it has nothing to do with race at all it's an idealogoical disconnect

Compare it to the Klan's website, where it still says membership is limited to "free, white males" and has links to campaign support for Donald Trump.

Also, read The Turner Diaries if you have a strong stomach, it was written by a known member. ("Known" because he was proud to be a member.) It will make BLM's "manifesto" sound like an episode of The Magic School Bus
 
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bobjr

Steel Ball Fun
Staff member
Moderator
Wait, you think police in America are held accountable enough? They don't even get trials anymore, they get paid leave for 6 months along with a gofundme. It used to be you'd hear "Obey the law" and that would be fine, but now that black people are doing that and getting killed, what do they do then? Are they supposed to just accept that their lives are worth less to the system?

It's like you have this weird aversion to changing the status quo when it's been proven the status quo benefits some groups way more than others.
 

Scammel

Well-Known Member
"Don't forget, everything Hitler did during World War II was legal."

- Martin Luther King Jr.

It's probably a good idea to stop talking about European history, lest you say something that's not merely bunkum again but actually offensive. Do you even Nuremberg?

"National Socialist". You just called an admitted Socialist a nice person. Care to take your claim back?

No, I count many left-wing political professionals as good friends and excellent colleagues. I'm not the one making dumb challenges.

Compare it to the Klan's website, where it still says membership is limited to "free, white males" and has links to campaign support for Donald Trump.

This is called 'whataboutery'. It's where you attempt to deflect criticisms from A Bad Thing by pointing at another, potentially worse Bad Thing.

Wait, you think police in America are held accountable enough?

No, and I certainly didn't say that. It's mind-bogglingly counter-productive to want to abolish the tech that makes police more accountable, namely bodycams.
 

Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Oh, I didn't see the details on each platform. Yes, some of that is extreme but there's only a few points I really disagree with. Particularly the following:

-Demilitarization of law enforcement.
-An end to all jails (I do think we need to move away from jails as a form of criminal punishment and focus more on psychological reform and re-education, but just setting everyone free and starting from scratch is a phenomenally bad idea)
-Free access to education for all black people
-Decriminalization of all crimes related to the war on drugs and prostitution.


Again, everything else is reasonable, and a lot of those demands are things white people should have as well.
 

bobjr

Steel Ball Fun
Staff member
Moderator
Reading up on it it looks like by body cameras they mean hidden ones that could be used for racial profiling, not ones on cops that would show someone is innocent.
To ensure mobile cameras are used to help eradicate discriminatory policing and protect civil rights, the groups are calling for camera policies to be developed publicly and to make sure that certain footage is made available to the public and the press.

Basically they want the body cameras to be used for their intended purpose, not hidden sinister ones.

-Demilitarization of law enforcement.
-An end to all jails (I do think we need to move away from jails as a form of criminal punishment and focus more on psychological reform and re-education, but just setting everyone free and starting from scratch is a phenomenally bad idea)
-Free access to education for all black people
-Decriminalization of all crimes related to the war on drugs and prostitution.

Honestly if you made it education for all I don't see an inherent problem with any of them at their base. Law enforcement are too trigger happy and need restrictions, jails are becoming for profit and need to change from that, and drug crimes are insane in how much someone can get punished, while prostitution should be legal to regulate the industry and make it safer.
 
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Wait, you think police in America are held accountable enough? They don't even get trials anymore, they get paid leave for 6 months along with a gofundme. It used to be you'd hear "Obey the law" and that would be fine, but now that black people are doing that and getting killed, what do they do then? Are they supposed to just accept that their lives are worth less to the system?

It's like you have this weird aversion to changing the status quo when it's been proven the status quo benefits some groups way more than others.

cite sources please that they don't get trials and that the status quo benefits one group more than others . disparity does not automatically mean it's racism bllm is a literal black supremesist group and you're cheering them on like their heroes .
 
as i said before it has noting to do with race and everything to do with culture.
i;m sure you've head the adage "If it ain't broke don't fix it" it's been shown that, alot of young black people are dropping out of high school , probably has alot to do with it. If there is no evidence of racism it's probably not racism


eDit: you realize these incidents are dealt with on a case by case basis right? this is why body cams are useful
 
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Bolt the Cat

Bringing the Thunder
Honestly if you made it education for all I don't see an inherent problem with any of them at their base. Law enforcement are too trigger happy and need restrictions, jails are becoming for profit and need to change from that, and drug crimes are insane in how much someone can get punished, while prostitution should be legal to regulate the industry and make it safer.

While those things are all problems those aren't the right solutions to those problems, they're going to do more harm than good. Getting rid of jails means you're just putting all of the murderers and rapists out on the streets again where they can continue to murder and rape. And with a demilitarized police force, who's going to stop them? Education should be for all, but you can't just expect a free ride. At best I'd say it should be free up until you get a high school diploma/GED, but I'm not sure we can even afford to do that. As for drug crimes and prostitution, those things are rampant problems that are overcriminalized and should be reformed, but outright expunging someone's criminal record because you were in a bad environment isn't really excusable. If you stole and killed people for drugs, decriminalizing drug related offenses doesn't make up for the fact that you stole and killed, those are serious offenses regardless of the circumstances.

In general it seems like the more specific demands want to just wipe the slate clean and start over and you can't really do that. Again, I'm in favor of leveling the playing field, but you're not going to accomplish that by tearing apart the system and reconstructing it, that'll just bring anarchy. Some of these institutions, while heavily flawed right now, exist for a reason.
 
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There are no racial barriers physically stopping black people hispanic people or any other race for that matter to get a ged the only thing stopping people from getting a ged is a small fee , ironically the fees are much higher in california the place which is hotspot for "equality" but depending on what state you live in, there's an alternate program call Hiset that's free race hasn't got anything to do with it it's only natural that it's going to cost more in heavily populated areas
 

The Admiral

solid state survivor
You sound like a fascist.

Now now, there's a difference between being a fascist and a screaming racist moron. Much in the same way that there's a difference between a cactus and a plant, mind, but my point does still stand.

Ban aside, there is legitimately no point in arguing with someone like this chucklefuck. This is someone who, much like most of the far-right crowd, doesn't want to listen and doesn't care about the truth.
 

Mordent99

Banned
It's probably a good idea to stop talking about European history, lest you say something that's not merely bunkum again but actually offensive. Do you even Nuremberg?

Might be a better idea to learn European history. Europe itself learned from World War II. If their laws were used here, those guys chanting "Blood and Soil" in Charlottsville would now be facing felony charges.

After all, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," as George Santayana famously said.

Furthermore, it seems you guys never get tired of holding Democrats responsible for slavery and the Jim Crow laws, along with other stuff that done by long-dead Republicans who passed before we were born, so practice what you preach or clam up about it.

No, I count many left-wing political professionals as good friends and excellent colleagues. I'm not the one making dumb challenges.

Yeah, name one.


This is called 'whataboutery'. It's where you attempt to deflect criticisms from A Bad Thing by pointing at another, potentially worse Bad Thing.

You mean, what Trump does on a daily basis with stuff like this?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...a-probes-could-backfire-sources-idUSKCN1BM25G



No, and I certainly didn't say that. It's mind-bogglingly counter-productive to want to abolish the tech that makes police more accountable, namely bodycams.

You sure did, I double down on that claim.

See how it sounds?

Edit: Thank you for banning the idiot bigot. Again.
 
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chess-z

campy vampire
Now now, there's a difference between being a fascist and a screaming racist moron. Much in the same way that there's a difference between a cactus and a plant, mind, but my point does still stand.

Ban aside, there is legitimately no point in arguing with someone like this chucklefuck. This is someone who, much like most of the far-right crowd, doesn't want to listen and doesn't care about the truth.

He was railing off typical racially motivated fascist shit. Calling a mallard a duck is still callimg a duck a duck.

Then you don't know what a fascist is. That 'manifesto' boasts incredibly stupid, discriminatory, anti-poor policies and my opinion of BLM was actually higher before I read it. Whoever wrote that must loathe working-class people with a burning passion.

I wasnt commenting on the manifesto, I was calling a far right fascist a fascist.
 
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Boss1991

Hardcore Pokéfan
Wow. Most people in this thread don't seem to even know the difference between fascism and nazism.

Also: whoever said earlier that Nazism is worse than Communism really doesn't know what he is talking about. A lot more innocents were killed under Communist regimes than under Fascist or even Nazi regimes. Stalin or Mao executed a lot more people than Hitler. Shocking, I know. But that's what happens when you have been brainwashed by liberal propaganda. You are fooled into thinking the far right is worse than the far left, when it is the same exact ****.

As for all the Trump hate here... Trump is an idiot. But he is still a lesser idiot than Hillary Clinton or Obama. Furthermore, why are people allowed to insult Trump in this thread, yet a post talking about liberal paranoia gets deleted?

And regarding Antifa and BLM, both are antiwhite organizations (with some of their members actually being self hating white people themselves). Fact.

Also, I completely agree with the above post that got deleted: blacks really need to get over it regarding slavery. It's gone. Almost NOBODY is racist towards them these days. And there are just as many raracist blacks today, especially in African ex colonies. White minorities are the ones discriminated there. Not that anybody seems to care about them.

The more you talk about racism, the more racism you generate.

The solution? Stop talking about it. Stop bringing up the issue of race and it will disappear. People will stop noticing each other's race. Morgan Freeman said this. And I couldn't agree more with him.

The left just doesn't wanna let racism go. They keep reminding everyone that some racist individuals still exist, over exaggerating their number in order to keep RACISM alive, when it is almost non existing worldwide.
 
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chess-z

campy vampire
Wow. Most people in this thread don't seem to even know the difference between fascism and nazism.

Also: whoever said earlier in this thread that Nazism is worse than Communism really doesn't know what he is talking about. A lot more innocents were killed under Communist regimes than under Fascist or even Nazi regimes. Stalin or Mao executed a lot more people than Hitler. Shocking, I know. But that's what happens when you have been brainwashed by liberal propaganda. You are fooled into thinking the far right is worse than the far left, when it is the same exact ****.

As for all the Trump hate here... Trump is an idiot. But he is still a lesser idiot than Hillary Clinton or Obama. Furthermore, why are people allowed to insult Trump in this thread, yet a post talking about liberal paranoia gets deleted?

And regarding Antifa and BLM, both are antiwhite organizations (with some of their members actually being self hating white people themselves).

You sound like a fascist.
 

chess-z

campy vampire
That's really quite interesting, only one forum post, after several trolls got banned. Interesting.
 
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