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Antifa and Black Lives Matter vs. KKK and Neo Nazis:A battle of false equivalence

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by Gamzee Makara, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Boss1991

    Boss1991 Hardcore Pokéfan

    Do you know what a fascist is?
  2. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    Yeah, I do. A person who adheres to a political philosophy with a strong centralized government, military power, use of force to quell dissent, etc.

    Fascism is marked by scapegoating the problems of a country at large onto a disenfranchised minority: immigrants, racial or ethnic minorities, the poor, and promoting a divisive us vs them mindset. Chauvinism and attacks on the press are common, as are isolationist and narionalist stances.

    Read up.
  3. Boss1991

    Boss1991 Hardcore Pokéfan

    I am against military and war in general, so no. I am not a fascist. That said, I think you are confusing nazism with fascism, as the latter are not racist. But yeah. Using buzzwords like "you are a fascist!!!" when lacking an argument is an overused leftist trick. ;)

    Anyway, you have shown zero counter arguments for the points I make in my post, so...
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  4. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator


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  5. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    You don't need to check all of the boxes to be a fascist, just most of them. And you do sound like a fascist.

    Nazism is Fascism, *******, just like a square is a rectangle.

    The "points" in your post aren't quite "facts" and more of blatant racism. You're a racist. :3


    I'm leery of debating this moron, because there aren't enough peer reviewed scholarly essays about the racial inequality in America in the goddamned world to break him out of his infowars fueled echo chamber. I don't know where he's getting his facts from, but it's definitely nothing reputable. I've been down this road before, and every time no evidence is correct, because of liberal bias or some sh*t. Whomever has the capacity to deal with him, go for it, but I'm not going to put in any effort.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  6. Boss1991

    Boss1991 Hardcore Pokéfan

    1. I am not a fascist. But I am starting to think you are antifa (left wing fascist)?
    2. Nazism and Fascism are not the same.
    3. Racist? Again, WHAT PART of my post sounds racist to you?

    Give examples. Give counter arguments. I doubt you will find any. And if you do, I will answer you in about 10 hours.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  7. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    I support antifa. Nazism is an inherent violent ideology and has to be suppressed by the most effective means.

    Plus I wouldn't say you're outright racist, you're just supporting the system racist people want. Ignoring racial/gender/sexual orientation issues only helps the people who benefit from the status quo, and hurt those minorities who are part of these groups.
  8. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    Ignoring or even supporting a corrupt system is being complicit in it.

    But mostly, what really stuck out as racist was your use of antiwhite and self-hating whites. It's classic white supremacist talking points. :3
  9. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    If you think Black Lives Matter hates white people, you're probably too stupid to understand that the name actually implies "just as much as white lives do, but that's really a long and not-catchy way to put it." "All Lives Matter" rhetoric is considered offensive because it refocuses the conversation onto white people. It implies "white lives matter too" -- as if there was any doubt. Black Lives Matter is an affirmation of specifically the eponymous statement, in a world where sometimes it seems like they don't, where e.g. racist lunatics like George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson can murder black kids in cold blood and get away with it. Whether or not certain human lives matter, believe it or not, is not a zero-sum issue.

    Then again, I don't know why I'm explaining this to someone who thinks that an orange man-baby who wants to have a nuclear-powered dick-measuring contest is a "lesser idiot" than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
  10. 1) What?
    2) Univeral basic income is difficult to experiment with and studies about the most widespread project going on in Finland have yielded both positive and negative results. The gusto from which you're speaking can only come from a philosophical slant you have on the subject and isn't based in reality considering it's too early to draw conclusions.
    3) Uh, yeah. I don't know about all, but quite a bit of them do need to be re-worked. Nafta in particular received heavy criticism.
    4) I'm pretty sure it's more complicated than body cameras = bad, but that's just me.
    5) You're losing me.
    6) Portrugal decriminalized all drugs, legalization is just a hop, jump, and skip away legally speaking. Focusing resources on rehabilitation and prevention seems wise.
  11. the status quo has nothing t do to do with racism at all, the population in the us is predominantly white that's all also did you just forget we had a black president?
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  12. Scammel

    Scammel Well-Known Member

    Our laws and socioeconomic situation are seeing a significant rise in the electoral success of multiple overtly far-right parties across the continent. Front National made it into the second round.

    'You guys'? I'd certainly identify as a Democrat if I could.

    Why on earth would I give you the names of people you wouldn't know and won't ever meet?

    I have no idea what you're trying to imply here. Is this meant to be a Trump parody thing?
  13. Thing is the ir actions say otherwise , members of blm have assaulted white university students calling them filthy and beat a man until they realized he was chinese and then stopped if that isn't racist what is? they have a clear disdain for white people regardless of what they say
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  14. Thing is the ir actions say otherwise , members of blm have assaulted white university students calling them filthy and beat a man until they realized he was chinese and then stopped if that isn't racist what is? they have a clear disdain for white people regardless of what they say
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2017
  15. Boss1991

    Boss1991 Hardcore Pokéfan

    Why are you still not BANNED after calling an other user a MORON? Typical uneducated leftist. When you have no argument you just insult those with different views.

    You lost this argument after making 3 consecutive posts without giving a single piece of evidence of WHY am I racist or fascist.

    Using terms like "antiwhite" doesn't make you a racist. XD Are you implying white people don't have the right to defend themselves from racism? I think that makes YOU racist.

    If black people can use terms like "antiblack" without being called "black supremacists" then white people should be allowed to use the same terms without being called "white supremacist".

    You don't need to explain me what the name of B.L.M. means since I never claimed their NAME is racist. Their NAME is fine. It is their violent ACTIONS what makes them antiwhite racists.

    I actually supported BLM in the beginning because I liked what their name stands for. But their actions, like assaulting innocent white people, soon gave them away as racists that don't want RACIAL EQUALITY, instead they want BLACK SUPREMACY (paid by white people at that xD). But I guess you are one of those special snowflakes who thinks "only white people can be racist, blacks can never be racist!!!"

    Anyway, I don't know how you have the guts to imply i am stupid, after admitting that you judge an organization BY ITS NAME, rather than BY ITS ACTIONS. Talk about stupidity... That's one brainless drone right there.

    Anybody who claims to be "anti racist" has to condemn BLM ot Antifa just as much as nazis. All of them are racist. As an anti racist myself, I condemn all of them.
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2017
  16. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    No, Boss, YOU lose by making such an absurd assumption. .

    Reported for flaming.

    Made absurd birther claims. When confronted, doubled down on them.

    Made absurd claims about celebrations in Jersey City on 9/11. When confronted, doubled down on them.

    Made absurd claims about the size of crowds, three million illegal votes, his dealings with Russia, wiretapping claims, and many other statements that are obviously not true. Doubled down on ALL of them rather than admit he misspoke or lies.

    Are you seeing now how absurd it is? I'll double down again and say you did, indeed, make that claim, just to show you how dumb Trump sounds when he does it.

    Folks who believe him and defend him are even dumber, cause they believe him over their own eyes and ears.

    Now let me tell you all a few things.

    I support equality, decency, civil rights, justice, and common sense.

    IMOHO, Democrats support them far more than Trump and the Republicans, who seem to believe charity and generosity hurt the poor.

    You can preach alI have no idea what you're trying to imply here. Is this meant to be a Trump parody thing?l you want about conservative ideals, but all of them are motivated by one thing: GREED

    Thus, until you can prove that Antifa and BLM are the murderous terrorists that the Klan is I support their ideals 100%.

    That's right, I called the Klan a terrorist group which they most certainly ARE.

    Just like Donald Trump is a liar, bigot, xenophobe, misogynist, sexual predator, plutocrat, and Klan sympathizer who would reinstate slavery if given the chance. I make all these accusations without fear and with a clear conscience.
  17. Boss1991

    Boss1991 Hardcore Pokéfan

    It is hilarious to see how left extremists like the posters above me are trying to fight an imaginary boogeyman (racism). Nobody wants slavery back and racism is steadily declining worldwide. Leftist liberals just need to bring racism up, in order to justify monsters like Antifa. They would hate for racism to completely disappear, because then they couldn't act like SJW online. And Antifa wouldn't have an excuse to beat up innocent white people anymore.

    It is sad to see so many people brainwashed.
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2017
  18. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    Source your claims about racism, babe.
  19. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    Boss, there's no such thing as forcible brainwashing, it's make-believe, just like Hillary's human trafficking operation. Most psychologists will tell you that you cannot be brainwashed against your will.

    Flagged for flaming again.
  20. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    Leaving without posting sources. Classy.

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