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Antifa and Black Lives Matter vs. KKK and Neo Nazis:A battle of false equivalence

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by Gamzee Makara, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. J 6

    J 6 Banned

    I assume you are referring to trumps "on many sides " speech " which was on response to the Charlottesville protests. You do realize that Antifa was there too, yes?
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  2. Pikachu52

    Pikachu52 Well-Known Member

    I think your minimising exactly what Trump did in his "on many sides" statement and the significance of it.

    First, he was the only one to give such an underwhelming response. Most other politicians left, right and centre called the hate groups out directly.

    Second, his failure to condemn the hate groups was seen by them as a tacit endorsement, which he again failed to address.

    Third, his statement condemning the hate groups came two days after the fact, and he had to be persuaded by John Kelly to make it.

    Fourth, he was so unhappy about making that second statement he walks it back in a third statement in which he defends people marching with the neo-nazis as potentially being "very fine people", talking about the "very, very violent ... alt-left" - An alt-right deflection talking point and ignoring the fact that it was a white supremacist protestor who committed the murder. Which again earned him praise from David Duke.

    And all this exists in the broader context. He made racist comments on the campaign trail, he wouldn't disavow David Duke and he has since spent more time attacking the NFL and athletes than he did white supremacists or neo-nazis.

    If so, so what.

    The protestors who countered the Charlottesville "unite the right rally" were peaceful, and it was a white supremacist who murdered Heather Heyer by ramming their vehicle into a crowd.

    And in any case the most of the right wing complaints about "antifa" are largely sensationalised
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  3. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    They were the group there countering the Nazis while police were just fine with "Oh we'll just let them march and commit vehicular homicide", yes.
  4. J 6

    J 6 Banned

    I don't agree with their reason for protesting on the first place but they have the right to protest. Antifa's presence there was not needed and only escalated it to that point. It's people who think like antifa do that this happened in the first place. Having said that yes the police should have stepped in to stop it sooner.
  5. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Yes, the group advocating genocide by going through black neighborhoods weren't in the wrong here, it was the group protesting their ease in getting protection to do so. We should just let the people who want other groups of people dead and/or enslaved to have the upper hand in society.
  6. J 6

    J 6 Banned

    That's what police are for. But as you pointed out they utterly failed In this regard

    Edit: please don't tell me you actually buy the power plus prejudice paradigm
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2017
  7. GosuHuk

    GosuHuk Banned

    you missed the point. antifa is not entirely innocent and violence on both their parts needs to be condemned
  8. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    Yeah, how many people have Antifa murdered?

    Note to mods, it should be obvious that the guys you keep banning are the same guy.
  9. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

  10. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    The thing is, Chess-Z, if one makes such blatant criminal accusations in public, he'd best be prepared to back them up. There was a time when a false accusation of murder against a member of government was punishable by cutting the speaker's tongue out.

    Indeed, if Mr. and Ms. Clinton were around four-hundred years ago and been members of the upper class of Britain, a false accusation of rape against Mr. Clinton by someone like Alex Jones would result in Al being flogged at best. Never mind what would become of him if he falsely accused Ms. Clinton of running a pedophile ring.
  11. AkaJ6

    AkaJ6 Banned

    Just replace marine mammal with people and sea lions with white people and it's fairly accurate. if this was a a thread justifying violent actions done by the KKK you'd all be losing your **** calling the op a racist
  12. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    This barely registers as a sentence. Please explain yourself, if you aren't a sockpuppet.
  13. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned


    I'd be calling the OP a monster and a terrorist sympathizer who condones lynchings.
  14. And reacting this way is a bad thing how? Why should anyone tolerate a thread attempting to justify the KKK?

    What kind of argument are you even trying to make? :/
  15. AkaJ6

    AkaJ6 Banned

    so condemn the kkk and white supremecist nationalists but the black are ok because theyr'e justified in their actions? don't you see any problem with that double standard? BLM is as bad as the kkk and should be dealt with just as harshly
  16. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    If you think that Black Lives Matter and antifascists are the equivalent of the Klan, your brain moved out while you were asleep ten years ago.

    Even if their acts were equivalent -- which they're not, especially as "antifa" is not a real group, but rather a shorthand for "antifascist," which is just a label that these people are, meaning that any violence they commit are acts taken by single people, usually in the heat of the moment -- there's this thing called time, which the Klan has been around for a lot more of than modern-day protesters. They've also had a lot of actual political influence.

    Take your sealioning back to Tumblr circa 2011 where you can whine about how men have it ~so bad~ for toxic masculine culture being called out.

    The argument, I'm assuming, is "why is it unacceptable for me to say the n word ):"
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  17. AkaJ6

    AkaJ6 Banned

    check and mate
  18. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    Oh my god he's actually sealioning us, dude holy ****. This is amazing.

    OH MY GOD.
  19. AkaJ6

    AkaJ6 Banned

    your'e right and time has dimished what little power the KKK had left and rightfully so ive said this before but such extremeist groups as these should not exist i've given examplesof equivalents crimes haye have committed and given my reasoning already
  20. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    Sources, sealion.

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