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Antifa and Black Lives Matter vs. KKK and Neo Nazis:A battle of false equivalence

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by Gamzee Makara, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Atslvaluhc

    Atslvaluhc Banned

    i really really hope this is just a troll post but the following responses actually lead me think it's legitimate i'm actually disgusted and appalled
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2017
  2. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    It IS legitimate.

    If you can think of ANY Nazi other than Schindler who came CLOSE to being a "nice person" I'll recant my liberal ways and put 100% support behind the Orange Bastard.
     
  3. Sadib

    Sadib Time Lord Victorious

    You're being very unfair to Nazis. Some are very good people.
     
  4. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Do you want to expand on that at all or do you want to just be judgmental for no reason?
     
  5. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

    Thank you, Sadib, it's been a long day and I really, really needed a good laugh there.
     
  6. 6ET

    6ET Banned

    https://youtu.be/xVNtb234U_0

    https://youtu.be/Xet3BnwLtek

    https://youtu.be/9ZJOmtEH5Y0


    The main problem i have with your entire argument is a total lack of individual accountability on the part of BLM. there are plenty of instances of them inciting violence taunting police and the problem here in my opinion is that if it is as you say and these are but an extreme minority the rest of the movement should condemn them for it and they should be ostracized fir their behavior but instead people like you, op make excuses for them, covering for them is paramount to accepting their actions as being representative of the whole of the of the group. and these people have tainted what started out as something with good intentions but as soon as they started the "Hands up don't shoot movement"which is a false narrative and their actions became militant they lost their claim to legitimacy. groups like these should never exist in the first place. in short BLM is the new KKK they are racial supremacists that is violent dangerous and want to kill police officers



    I can already hear the screeching of the Marxist BLM supporters crying that i'm alt right and racist for saying this, i look forward to your rplies
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2017
  7. Mordent99

    Mordent99 Banned

    The main problem I have with your argument is that it is crap.

    Lies make baby Jesus cry.
     
  8. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    BLM don't want to kill police officers. Even from a cynical aspect the second they get that reputation they would almost be drone striked into the earth. It's about holding police accountable when they kill black people, instead of them getting off without a trial when the kill a 12 year old kid.

    From a minority standpoint this systemic racism is horrifying, that you can get killed and have it passed off as deserving it for nothing. This is just hundreds of years of boiling up, and we've finally reached the point where we can get video proof.
     
  9. 6ET

    6ET Banned

    Interesting you bring htat up as there was a man in Dallas who gunned down 5 police officers and said point blank that he wanted to kill white people especially officers because of BLM and black shootings
     
  10. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Yes, I'm sure BLM gave him a ringing endorsement and treats him as a martyr instead of treating him like an extremist trying to latch on to a group that doesn't want someone like that.
     
  11. Atslvaluhc

    Atslvaluhc Banned

    as far as i'm aware they didn't treat him as an extremist
     
  12. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    They ignore him and focus on a better message, which is the correct response to someone trying to piggyback on a group for attention. How are they not treating him like an extremist, considering the work they have to do whenever a black person is killed and dragged through the coals post-humorously, which is a much bigger focus. Anyone focusing on the former just wants an excuse to not change the status quo and not have to accept that minorities in the US have problems that white people have never had in this country.
     
  13. Atslvaluhc

    Atslvaluhc Banned

    A better message of black supremacy and nationalist neo marxist views congratulations you've become the monster you set out to destroy


    Edit: the shooters internet history has shown that he was involved with black nationalist groups as well
     
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2017
  14. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    When have BLM said they're better than everyone else? They just don't want to be treated differently because of racial factors. That's the inherent issue. White people scared that black people might gain some power, and while that power wouldn't put them above equality, it's still enough that it's not an outright superiority over them.

    Would you really prefer the black community stay as they are?
     
  15. Atslvaluhc

    Atslvaluhc Banned

    have you actually read their list of demand on their website? their demands are insane and would make white people second class citizens in the us it has nothing to do with race at all it's an idealogoical disconnect
     
  16. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/

    I don't see anything here that would put white people as second class citizens. Even reparations, something I personally saw as not needed, is something I'm not against seeing the treatment the black community has gotten even when they were freed as slaves.

    Plus saying this has nothing to do with race is bad. Things like this as a white person are supposed to make you uncomfortable, it's supposed to make you question the world you believe in. It's the same case with any minority issue. It's only an ideological disconnect because you can't see a reasonable option for Black Americans to fix their problems.
     
  17. Atslvaluhc

    Atslvaluhc Banned

    Care to give that list another read, then? they are asking for a number of privileges that white people don't even have i wonder if they want these things because they think there are the privileges white people supposedly enjoy


    as a white person yes this absolytely makes me feel uncomfortable but not for the reasons you think it makes me uncomfortable that these eople are breaking laws rioting and looting and are being hralded as heroes like their the rebellion fighting against the empire or something . they are criminals, breaking laws and killing police and should be treated as such. a reasonable way to fix this is the exact opposite of what BLM is doing
     
  18. Scammel

    Scammel Well-Known Member

    Get on those phonebanks, Trumpkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge

    Did it not occur that a party boasting a membership of around 10% of the entire population and the centre of gravity for German political power might have thousands of members who joined to protect their families and frustrate the advance of fascism and later genocide? History has complexities - who knew.
     
  19. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    You sound like a fascist.
     
  20. Scammel

    Scammel Well-Known Member

    Then you don't know what a fascist is. That 'manifesto' boasts incredibly stupid, discriminatory, anti-poor policies and my opinion of BLM was actually higher before I read it. Whoever wrote that must loathe working-class people with a burning passion.
     

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