When you first look at Pokemon Games, all you see is a simple little "kiddy" storyline and game...but there's a whole other side to it - the whole Competitive Battling Part (EV's, IV's, blah blah blah). If they made it too complicated as soon as you look at it you'd be turned away from it.
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Are we being to selfish for a Kid's game?
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Yoshifan22
not a fan?
xD obviously YES
cocoa_adele
Well-Known Member
if they wanted it to be aimed at a different traget audience i think they would have changed it
being a kids game is one of its charms i think
being a kids game is one of its charms i think
andrewflame9
Bronyta
I personaly think that nintendo trys to please us with the comlicated things that the kids dont see. like EVs, IVs, PR chaining, and lots of other hidden things that the hardcore crowd uses when being competitive. were as the kids are just as competitive, but can just play with friends and family and not see the complicated game macanics, only stuff like fire beats grass, grass beats water, and water beats fire, and wonder how there starter has a huge hp and speed. yet not make the connetion that they battled a boatload of beidofs and starlys when they were stuck. untill they get sucked in so much they start joining fourms and learn about the game macanics.
WynautQueen
Pokemon Caretaker
I dunno, most of the suggestions I have for further enhancements to the series don't make it necessarily more complicated, just more immersive. Things like more interaction with your Pokemon, trainer customization and anime-style tournaments.
But I see what you mean, but the point still stands that all things considered, Pokemon is mature a game as you want to make it, with all of its mechanics considered.
But I see what you mean, but the point still stands that all things considered, Pokemon is mature a game as you want to make it, with all of its mechanics considered.
Sapphire Phoenix
aldkjf
I agree with WynautQueen. Sure, some things are very complicated that will confuse younger audiences, like IV's and stuff. But it's still a kid-frendly game. If they wanted to change it for different audiances, Nintendo would have already.
^^ That's what I said ^^ xD
shadowkami
Internet Hustla'
To back up your point Jack, Here's a little tidbit from the interview from G4 and Junichi Masuda and Takeshi Kawachimaru
G4 said:
Junichi Masuda said:
Next person who whines about EVs and IVs gets a faceslap on their profile. I was not talking about that when I meant about overcomplexity of a children's game. I was talking about our OWN ideas.
I like the family aspect of this game.
I play this game with my kids, and have seen other adults get just as excited as the kids.
At the Bryant park event, I was in line with a construction worker (HIya Shaggy) who had a Haunter tattooed on his arm. (he also had a Dark magician Girl from Yugioh on his other arm)
I enjoy how this game bridges the age gaps and is fun for everyone at one level or another.
They market this brilliantly, as pokemon is HOW may years strong? (10? 15?)
I wonder if they have pokemon shovels to handle all the cash it generates.
Grimmy
I play this game with my kids, and have seen other adults get just as excited as the kids.
At the Bryant park event, I was in line with a construction worker (HIya Shaggy) who had a Haunter tattooed on his arm. (he also had a Dark magician Girl from Yugioh on his other arm)
I enjoy how this game bridges the age gaps and is fun for everyone at one level or another.
They market this brilliantly, as pokemon is HOW may years strong? (10? 15?)
I wonder if they have pokemon shovels to handle all the cash it generates.
Grimmy
Sephiroth_Strife
Well-Known Member
It's "too" as in an excessive amount...
I don't think it's really being selfish, as people aren't emailing the creators about throwing all this stuff in there. They are merely pointing out things they think would make the games more fun/challenging/etc.
As for Pokemon being a "kid's" game, I believe that's because of association with the kiddy-looking cartoon and how the monsters generally look cute. Or at least most of them. And what part of virtual ****-fighting is kiddy?
1up.com did an interview with the creators over at Gamefreak and they mentioned how very in-depth you can get with the games, what with EVs, IVs, and such. This keeps the game interesting and challenging for older players, while the cuteness appeals to little'uns. It broadens the market so to speak. (Older people that say they don't want to play the games are simply lying to themselves
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I don't think it's really being selfish, as people aren't emailing the creators about throwing all this stuff in there. They are merely pointing out things they think would make the games more fun/challenging/etc.
As for Pokemon being a "kid's" game, I believe that's because of association with the kiddy-looking cartoon and how the monsters generally look cute. Or at least most of them. And what part of virtual ****-fighting is kiddy?
1up.com did an interview with the creators over at Gamefreak and they mentioned how very in-depth you can get with the games, what with EVs, IVs, and such. This keeps the game interesting and challenging for older players, while the cuteness appeals to little'uns. It broadens the market so to speak. (Older people that say they don't want to play the games are simply lying to themselves
)Hmm... I think that calling these threads that keep popping up "selfish" is a little strange. After all, this is a pokemonforum and therefore discussing how you think the games could be improved isn't wrong, is it? Cause' that's all it is, a discussion. It's not nessecarily the same as saying that they should be done that way or that they will be done that way in the future. Everybody knows that gamefreak never really will target a more mature audience, and that they'll never really make a complete conceptual overhaul. The threads are just a simple "what if" scenario...
EDIT: Oh, and sorry for bumping a bit......*blushing*
EDIT: Oh, and sorry for bumping a bit......*blushing*
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DemonLabRat
DLR
No, it isn't wrong to voice your opinion. But then again, voicing your opinion with rather extreme and outrageous ideas can be deemed as rather annoying and selfish. Unless you really want someone like me, or the majority of the contradicting society on your case. Joking aside now.
Anyway, (again, something I say repetitively) I think there is the occasional selfish idea in the form of a few threads. Ideas that seem rather ludicrous. If it's something like they should put roller skates in to replace the bike, that can be deemed as selfish, and idiotic. If it's something like a discussion of two item slots, thats ok in my book. It's talking about what could happen and how it could work. However, rather than talking about it, asking whether it should be included is what I'd call selfish. Put simply, threads with ideas are ok, whilst those asking about changing and including aspects in a game are selfish. Still, doesn't mean it's completely ok. In majority, I'd say the threads have a tendency to be selfish opinions.
And, referring to quote, even if it's a what if scenario, that can still make a thread selfish, just like that. Depends on what's being discussed and how it is. Still, this is only my opinion.
Dark Master Zork
dark scizor master
yea these games are alright the way thay are however past the 2nd gen the pokemon names have realy gone down hill......yanmega....and the entire thing about nosepass.... aswell as magnizone colda been better named and combee....ok....that dosent realy work for me for what it looks like magnaton any one? and more uneque types would be nice...ghost/bug? dragon/ice...., fire/dark.... hmmm actualy that last one make a good starter.... unlike those dam two fire fighting...if thay make another.......dam...ima stay away from it
any way apart from those being too selfish to kids...i dont think so as many sed ...simple to play but complex enough for those old enough to enjoy but i say some pokemon are too farfetche'd coming from the 4th gen
any way apart from those being too selfish to kids...i dont think so as many sed ...simple to play but complex enough for those old enough to enjoy but i say some pokemon are too farfetche'd coming from the 4th gen
If I didn't like the games how they are I wouldn't play them.
Is it selfish to want more?
No, people like these games and as they have gotten older and evolved they want the games to it to.
I think it'd be nice if nintendo would revisit what they had in yellow. Where depnding on the out come of some battles determines your rivals team. A kind of difficulty setting. Not one that's right out, but I thought it was a great idea that was never used again in the games.
Is it selfish to want more?
No, people like these games and as they have gotten older and evolved they want the games to it to.
I think it'd be nice if nintendo would revisit what they had in yellow. Where depnding on the out come of some battles determines your rivals team. A kind of difficulty setting. Not one that's right out, but I thought it was a great idea that was never used again in the games.
Some people really get into the game, it's scary. They trade everything for shinies and event Pokemon and they battle like 50 times a day, which is a little unhealthy.
These people are the selfish ones, but it's great that many people like to play the Pokemon games, just try to take it easy, it is just a game...
These people are the selfish ones, but it's great that many people like to play the Pokemon games, just try to take it easy, it is just a game...
Yeah, I get your point but still, even if some ideas are a little over the top and stupid, I don't see the harm in discussing them. After all, without controversial topics things wouldn't get very interesting in the long run.
We allready have a ghost/bug type, Shedinja. And the Houndour line is fire/dark.
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empoleon49
Dawn's number 1 fan™
yeah i gusse
;412;;347;;107;;222;;355;;026;;136;;107;;222;;355;;194;;476;;201-m;;328;;078;;444;i mean people think event onlys suck how you can't catch them in-game but that is half the fun,going to the event yet i don't like arceus that much (my friend gave me one)i mean mew is the orginal one but anyway the events are cool to go to;492-s;
;412;;347;;107;;222;;355;;026;;136;;107;;222;;355;;194;;476;;201-m;;328;;078;;444;i mean people think event onlys suck how you can't catch them in-game but that is half the fun,going to the event yet i don't like arceus that much (my friend gave me one)i mean mew is the orginal one but anyway the events are cool to go to;492-s;
I think that the fact that the Pokemon games are made for children is why they are so appealing. We all like to release the inner kid in ourselves sometimes and what better way than sitting down and capturing creatures in little balls and putting them in our pocket. Because the games aren't the most challenging of games to complete but probably one of the hardest games to truly master is why they appeal to children and adults alike. Children can play them and get the most out of it as they can and so can adults.