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Are we really abusing the term "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" for the Anime characters?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by matt0044, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. Yeul

    Yeul Green Eyed Girl

    So what, in the Grand Festival Zoey beat Nando and they showed that, so I'm certain they decided to reinforce her invincible skills as a coordinator by doing that.
    What flaws DID Zoey have, exactly? Did they make her so perfect to create a positive tomboyish lesbian role model for girls everywhere?
     
  2. CupidKirby

    CupidKirby Well-Known Member

    To me, Zoey was like a COTD even though she wasn't. The writers didn't really put much effort into her character other than to have some plot device to help Dawn or someone else develop.
     
  3. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    She still had more appearances in a region than any rival but Paul.
     
  4. CupidKirby

    CupidKirby Well-Known Member

    Let me rephrase that. She acted like a COTD.
     
  5. Yeul

    Yeul Green Eyed Girl

    And it's sad, really. I thought her design was awesome and she seemed to be a very promising character.....until her Glameow came out and beat every Pokemon it came across with little to no difficulty. Oh, and how is her being unsure of herself and nervous supposed to be a flaw when she's guaranteed a win almost everytime she enters a contest? That's a Sue in plain sight.
     
  6. Demonsead

    Demonsead Hoenn Challenger

    I don't see a single character in this show as a sue of any sort.
     
  7. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    Not even Richie and Tobias? Zoey to a lesser extent.
     
  8. Shneak

    Shneak this is a Nessa x Sonia stan account ✨

    The only Mary Sue I would agree with is Tobias. Most of the other mentioned characters feel normal and show that they can be defeated in ways, but Tobias didn't show those qualities. He practically won the Sinnoh League with a single legendary.
     
  9. Demonsead

    Demonsead Hoenn Challenger

    No, no, and no.
     
  10. Yeul

    Yeul Green Eyed Girl

    You're right, they're more like God Mode Sues than typical Mary Sues.
     
  11. Platinum fan.

    Platinum fan. RetiredPokemonMaster

    Tobias is the the only one who fits the bill really if only because he just uses legendary Pokemon to win matches. I don't consider Zoey a sue. She was clearly the most skilled Coordinator in Sinnoh so why not let her win? It would be more Sueish if they just made another Solidad, talk about cheap. Comes out of nowhere for the sole purpose of preventing main character from winning. I don't even consider Richie a Gary Stu. Not his fault Ash did not raise his Charizard and there were loads of trainers stronger then Ash in Kanto, but how he copies Ash's team down to the core is annoying.
     
  12. Caseydia

    Caseydia Ace Trainer

    But we didn't and still don't know anything about Tobais. It's not like in Hoenn and Johto where Ash knew Harrison, Morrison and Tyson for alittle while.
    My God, so many "son" in their names!
     
  13. Dephender

    Dephender Gizakawayusu Staff Member Moderator

    Takuto isn't a stu, people. Please. He's not meant to be a well-rounded character we're supposed to follow, he's supposed to be an obstacle for the main character - someone high above the character's level to give an idea of the main character's relative powers. All stories about up-and-coming athletes have characters who are way stronger than the main guys, because you can't write characters who aren't that good at what they do without having characters who actually are good at it somewhere.
    Gary Stu/Mary Sue is a term supposed to indicate poorly written characters who are meant to be well-written. Minor side characters who only serve as plot devices to determine other characters' flaws don't fall under this.
     
  14. Yeul

    Yeul Green Eyed Girl

    Can I just say that I also rather like Tobias? I think his voice is sexy.
     
  15. The Great Butler

    The Great Butler Hush, keep it down

    If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Zoey come within an inch of losing to Ash in Jubilife City, only to be saved by the timer with Aipom just about to hit Glameow?

    The fact that she *had* to win that battle no matter what, thus necessitating a convenient turn of events to save her, disturbs me. Even then she had to be portrayed as unbeatable.
     
  16. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    But if that happened Ash would have likely won the entire contest.

    The writers would never let Ash get a ribbon because its not his quest.
     
  17. Platinum fan.

    Platinum fan. RetiredPokemonMaster

    I haven't seen that episode in ages but was it ever actually said if Aipom hit Glameow, Ash would have won? I mean Zoey owned the match the whole time so one hit and suddenly she would lose? If anything it makes Ash look like the sue. Aipom wasn't even that strong during that particular contest, not like it was for the gym battles and later contest.
     
  18. The Great Butler

    The Great Butler Hush, keep it down

    I seem to remember the implication that it would have been a knockout blow, the same way Dawn ultimately beat Ursula in the Grand Festival.
     
  19. Demonsead

    Demonsead Hoenn Challenger

    I said I don't see them as any kind of sue. Why did you think I meant anything else?
     
  20. Yamato-san

    Yamato-san I own the 5th gen

    I'm kinda surprised nobody attempted to argue against my points on Takuto thus far.
     

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