I'm kinda surprised nobody attempted to argue against my points on Takuto thus far.
I agree with your points on Takuto.
I'm kinda surprised nobody attempted to argue against my points on Takuto thus far.
I'm kinda surprised nobody attempted to argue against my points on Takuto thus far.
I said I don't see them as any kind of sue. Why did you think I meant anything else?
Zoey's no exception though, she can freeze in the lowest circle of hell for making the Contests so boring.
Can I just say that I also rather like Tobias? I think his voice is sexy.
I haven't seen that episode in ages but was it ever actually said if Aipom hit Glameow, Ash would have won? I mean Zoey owned the match the whole time so one hit and suddenly she would lose? If anything it makes Ash look like the sue
Lolz..."Are we abusing the term Mary Sue/Gary Stu for anime characters?"
Let's see..."Iris is a sue!" "Dento is a Stu!" "Ash is a Stu" "Tobias is a Stu!" "Dawn is a Sue!" "Zoey is a Sue!"
Since no one can come onto an agreement can we just say "Pokemon" is a Mary Sue show then?
Umm, he's a pure goody-twoshoes, won most all his battles, was usually always in the right, has seen/helped/befriended several legendary pokemon, has girls falling for him left and right even though he'll never return their feelings, has that special "aura" power that came up once in awhile, has been a "destined hero" more than once, hogged the spotlight from many other (better) characters, and was generally portrayed as the kindest, most loving trainer to his Pokemon that no other trainer can compare to. Add that to the fact that the world seems to bend over to serve his purposes every now and then, and you have a Mary Sue protagonist.
He was a destined hero in the original seasons too. He also had girls from the movies like Melody and Latias kiss him.
Ash is no different than he's ever been.
You sure are right baout that. I think that's why most people still likes him. Because he is not too perfect like most competitive shonen characters
Nah, the current trio aren't Mary Stus........but Zoey is, and that's my unchanging opinion.
Ummm....yeeeeah.
Umm, he's a pure goody-twoshoes, won most all his battles, was usually always in the right, has seen/helped/befriended several legendary pokemon, has girls falling for him left and right even though he'll never return their feelings, has that special "aura" power that came up once in awhile, has been a "destined hero" more than once, hogged the spotlight from many other (better) characters, and was generally portrayed as the kindest, most loving trainer to his Pokemon that no other trainer can compare to. Add that to the fact that the world seems to bend over to serve his purposes every now and then, and you have a Mary Sue protagonist.
Honestly, losing his biggest matches is just the one thing he DOESN't have going for him.
An unchanging opinion can't be wrong XD
So what happened in BW that changed all that? Just curious.
Ummm....yeeeeah.
Umm, he's a pure goody-twoshoes, won most all his battles, was usually always in the right, has seen/helped/befriended several legendary pokemon, has girls falling for him left and right even though he'll never return their feelings, has that special "aura" power that came up once in awhile, has been a "destined hero" more than once, hogged the spotlight from many other (better) characters, and was generally portrayed as the kindest, most loving trainer to his Pokemon that no other trainer can compare to. Add that to the fact that the world seems to bend over to serve his purposes every now and then, and you have a Mary Sue protagonist.
Honestly, losing his biggest matches is just the one thing he DOESN't have going for him.
Becaue people can't be written as nice guys without being written as a stu.Umm, he's a pure goody-twoshoes.
He is the main character, he is expected to win most of his fights, otherwise he'll never reach his goal.won most all his battles.
Unless your whining about him giving life lessons that some COTD needed, or his training ethic that as a trainer he should have for his own Pokemon by now, this is not a trait that Ash alone shares in the Anime.was usually always in the right.
...as has Misty, Brock, Tracey, May, Max, Dawn, and Team Rocket. They must be sues too.has seen/helped/befriended several legendary pokemon,
Whatever(weak, maybe baseless)points you had are gone thanks to this claim. Ash has only ever had 2 girls showing romantic hints for him, Latias and Anabel, those never went anywhere, but not on any fault of ash's. You make it sound like damn near every girl his age harbors secret feelings for him, It's laughable.has girls falling for him left and right even though he'll never return their feelings,.
What? the "listening to Aura-sensitive pokemon power that was only good for a TV special? He's not flinging Aura Spheres at Team Rocket.has that special "aura" power that came up once in awhile
You must have a problem with every single fictional character that is a destined something.has been a "destined hero" more than once
And now we get to your(now very clear) bias against Ash. Possibly your saddest point, liking a side character more than a main character isn't unheard of, so I'll just acknowledge this as unimportant and move on.hogged the spotlight from many other (better) characters
This isn't any different than saying he's a pure goody-twoshoes.and was generally portrayed as the kindest, most loving trainer to his Pokemon that no other trainer can compare to.
Wrong, this is exactly why calling any character in the Anime a sue is laughable and basically amounts to nothing but personal contempt for the character.Add that to the fact that the world seems to bend over to serve his purposes every now and then, and you have a Mary Sue protagonist..