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Argument about fossils - Pokemon raised from death

Cutty

Forever now
I don't know if somebody has thought bout it or this topic has been brought up before.
This has still got a connection with 'Are pokemons immortal?' topic, somehow this idea struck my mind.
If you can revive a dead pokemon from a fossil, it means all arguments about pokemons being mortal so far are destroyed. It depends now, if you want to raise your pokemon after it dies or not.

So does it mean pokemons are actually immortal? o_O

Comment please.
 
I believe that there is a difference between a natural death and fossilization...Fossilization seems more chemically reasonable to reinstate a Pokémon than a natural death. Then again, I hate talking about death of these wonderful creatures :p Reality eh? ......
 

BCVM22

Well-Known Member
First of all, the plural of Pokémon is still Pokémon, like sheep.

Second of all, this is largely a semantic debate. "Immortal" is defined as "unable to die," but Kanto's Pokémon Tower, Hoenn's Mt. Pyre and Sinnoh's Lost Tower serve as graveyards and places to pay respects to Pokémon that have passed on, so clearly Pokémon are capable of dying. They would never address how Pokémon can die in-game - this is, of course, a kid-friendly franchise - but one would imagine that it could happen by way of severe injury or old age, like any other creature.

However, if you were to tweak your own personal definition of immortality as "the ability to return from death," then one could make the case that certain prehistoric Pokémon possess that characteristic by way of the fossil-revival science of the Pokémon world. The extrapolation of that case would be that the Pokémon of the "present day" (which is to say any Pokémon not found by reviving a fossil) could be revived if, in the future, fossils of these Pokémon were found and revived in that same manner.

Again, it's largely semantic. Immortal is defined as "unable to die," but if you cover your ears and squint and turn your head the right way while reading that, you could twist it enough to mean "able to return from death."
 
Yea the 'revival' is just cloning the DNA found in the fossil, so technically it's not the same Pokemon and it's not immortal. Immortality = Not dying, Fossil = Needs to die, therefore Fossil=/= Immortal
 

VampirateMace

Internet Overlord
Well as stated, it's cloning an therefore not the orginal pokemon... Was the cloned sheep the orginal when the orginal was still alive? Don't awnser that, she wasn't even a true clone, she had someone else's mitocondiral DNA... the only way to get a true clone is to take an egg from the same sheep you're cloning, so only females can be fully cloned... humm, getting way off subject. Anyways immortal is usually defined as unable to die, or in some cases very very hard to kill. Like the anime where the 'immortal' was dying of radiation posioning years after the bomb had killed everyone around him... I don't think coming back from the dead is considered immortal, because even Jesus gets refered to as mortal... and he's most famous for being executed and coming back.
 

Chansey hunter

Expert Photoshopist
They could pull a FF7 on a pokemon game... make your friend's pokemon (who of course is your pokemon's best friend) die somehow... could make some people cry.
Actually it would be better in a PMD game where your partner dies... but of course you find some way to bring them back, after like a whole quarter of the game without them, just to make it more kid-friendly.

OT: Fossils contradict everything... pokemon don't die in-game but die before the adventure has even started.
 
They can be immortal, but I dont think everyone goes to the scientist to rewake them, thats why they have graveyards.
And maybe the scientist only have intrest in reawaken ancient pokemons.
And i dont think they are really "immortal" We dont know if the ancient ones remember anything from the past life, so it would just be like reborn.
 

Hejiru

Rev up those fryers
I don't dont think they're 'raising them from the dead'. They're scientists, they're probably just taking some Kabuto DNA out of the fossil and regenerating it.
 

~-Overheat-~

Black/White!
Where will the fossils come? When the Pokemon dies ofcourse:p

Using that logic, even dinosaurs and everything else are immortal. Like imagine your Growlithe died. Dont you have to wait about a many hundred thousand years for it to be fossilized?
 

Miss_Pocket_Monster

Well-Known Member
I agree with the point that reviving from fossils does not constitute immortality. Aren't they trying to do something similar in real life with wooly mammoths? I would hardly call those prehistoric elephants "immortal". ;473;

That being said, remember the first Pokemon movie? It implied that Mew has been around forever. Does that mean that Mew was around to see these other Pokemon become extinct? Why didn't Mew intervene, since it's a powerful Pokemon that could have rescued at least a few of the species? Just a thought. ;151;
 
I dont know it sounds a little to convinient how the poke' scientists would word such a statement
"We can revive your fossils for you"
Although our logic gives us the knowledge that they are going to extract DNA.
Only few could possibly question that :/
 

eonmaster_457

Well-Known Member
They are not "immortal". Remember, these fossils' DNA are cloned into a new Pokemon, and that's where we get them. In other words, it's not back from the dead.
 

Maruno

Well-Known Member
Ever seen Jurassic Park? Same principle.

You create a clone of an extinct pokémon using some of its DNA. There's nothing immortal about it.

However, a fossil is literally a rock. All the parts of the body are replaced by rock (calcium carbonate?), which means there's no DNA to work with. Either the Pokéverse works differently, or the fossil scientists already have the genetics for the prehistoric pokémon from somewhere else, and will only trade one for a fossil (because they're collectors).
 

Atoyont

Brains for brawn
However, a fossil is literally a rock. All the parts of the body are replaced by rock (calcium carbonate?), which means there's no DNA to work with. Either the Pokéverse works differently, or the fossil scientists already have the genetics for the prehistoric pokémon from somewhere else, and will only trade one for a fossil (because they're collectors).
The plain word definition says: "preserved from a past geologic age." By this logic, then coelacanths, tuataras, and ginkos could all be considered fossils, as would any preserved bone or tissue with intact DNA. Possibly, the Pokémon world's DNA is far more study, and most fossils still have some left.

There is still the problem of the nearly spontaneous generation of the organism, though.
 

Maruno

Well-Known Member
Yes, of course. In a world where teleportation is commonplace and you can convert creatures into energy and store then in small capsules, it's just infeasible for advanced science to be able to grow a creature kind of quickly.

That's just Pokéscience. It happens.
 

crobatman

Well-Known Member
I don't know if somebody has thought bout it or this topic has been brought up before.
This has still got a connection with 'Are pokemons immortal?' topic, somehow this idea struck my mind.
If you can revive a dead pokemon from a fossil, it means all arguments about pokemons being mortal so far are destroyed. It depends now, if you want to raise your pokemon after it dies or not.

So does it mean pokemons are actually immortal? o_O

Comment please.

Why aren't the pokemon just cloned?
It is like in Jurassic Park. Old Amber does not have and Aerodactyl in it, but there is the DNA in it.
I wonder if the pokemon cloned were always part rock type. Maybe, in there history it was different.
 

PsychedelicJellyfish

formerly R. New
Staying within the realms of pseudo-science and not even mentioning the i-word, my best guess at how they are 'raised from death' is that genetic material is extracted from the fossil and placed inside some kind of universal undifferentiated cell. The division and specialisation of this cell is then massively accelerated with the machine.

Alternative explanation: It's a fictional game.

Alternative explanation #2: It has something to do with pixies.

Alternative explanation #3: A wizard does it.
 
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Maruno

Well-Known Member
Alternative explanation #4: Take a look at my signature. (That quote strangely appeals to me a great deal.)


All fossil pokémon (i.e. ones you need to "resurrect") are part Rock. This is either because they are able to turn into fossils once they die (so no non-Rock pokémon can become fossils), or because they were resurrected from fossils (and were originally just Plant or Bug or whatever).
 
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