Ash-Greninja Battle Viability Assessment: Compilation!

[345ash-greninja]

Nothing can top Ash vs Diantha in terms of feats for Ash's Pokemon based on what has happened in the anime and is quite unlikely to happen in the future. Ash has been curbstomped again and again multiple times in the past by E4 members, just check out his utter mismatches with E4 members during DP, especially with Flint. And this time he battled a freaking Champion, who are portrayed quite a cut above E4 members (not to mention that some Champions like Cynthia and Diantha have been explicitly shown defeating E4 members' aces without giving a second thought), and he and Ash-Greninja made the Champion's ace Pokemon, even after it Mega Evolved, eat the humble pie. We can argue semantics all day about how Diantha was holding back and so on, but looking at the fight from a clearly straightforward and neutral point of view it's clearly evident that she definitely was taking the battle a lot more seriously at the end as she herself made statements acknowledging Ash-Greninja's strength and eventually was pressurized enough to Mega Evolve Gardevoir and visibly used clearly way more powerful looking attacks.....and yet got clearly thoroughly overpowered by mastered form Ash-Greninja's Giant Water Shuriken in the end and was send flying away sprawling through the ground screaming in pain with multiple scratch marks on its body, and Diantha being visibly concerned about Gardevoir's well-being. Literally no-where else, let alone in Ash battles, have we seen a Champion and his/her ace being pushed to that extent, taking that amount of damage and getting overwhelmed in the end. It was hardly ever imaginable anytime before or after the fight that Ash can stand up to the Champion in that fashion and push the Champion to the extent, making him/her sweat and gain the advantage/upper hand in the battle in a significant margin. Which is why Ash-Greninja's performance vs Diantha's Mega Gardevoir is certainly the GOAT performance by an Ash Pokemon in the anime so far.

I repeat as I had said before my post, nothing in the anime so far has topped that performance in my book and is very unlikely to do it in the future.

All hail Ash-Greninja!!!

 

[LilligantLewis]

@Genaller @Dragalge y'all are too funny

 

[Power Up]

@Genaller is Ash-Greninja stronger than all the regional champs? Lance, Alder, etc?

 

[Genaller]

@Genaller is Ash-Greninja stronger than all the regional champs? Lance, Alder, etc?

For all intents and purposes yeah Ash-Greninja >= every Champion Base Ace. Like I had argued in the A-G vs Garchomp thread there really doesn’t seem to be any reason to assume that any Champion Ace is outright better than any other Champion Ace. There’s definitive evidence that Cynthia ~ Alder and Diantha ~ Steven. In addition Cynthia and Diantha also have a congruent feat which is seemingly easily beating Lucian’s Bronzong <-> seemingly easily beating Wikstrom’s Mega Scizor (while also using ME). From here we can say with confidence that Steven, Cynthia, Alder and Diantha are all on par. That leaves us with Wallace and Lance. Since Steven is the current Champion Steven >= Wallace. Hard to say if Steven outright better though at least as of now he’s a good upper bound for Wallace’s strength. Lance is easily the biggest mystery variable here since he’s neither had a proper battle or any other feat/portrayal that scales him to any of the other champions. His main appearances come during a TR incident in Johto and the Team Magma/Aqua climax and in those cases he doesn’t show anything to suggest he’s above the other champions.

 

[LilligantLewis]

For all intents and purposes yeah Ash-Greninja >= every Champion Base Ace. Like I had argued in the A-G vs Garchomp thread there really doesn’t seem to be any reason to assume that any Champion Ace is outright better than any other Champion Ace. There’s definitive evidence that Cynthia ~ Alder and Diantha ~ Steven. In addition Cynthia and Diantha also have a congruent feat which is seemingly easily beating Lucian’s Bronzong <-> seemingly easily beating Wikstrom’s Mega Scizor (while also using ME). From here we can say with confidence that Steven, Cynthia, Alder and Diantha are all on par. That leaves us with Wallace and Lance. Since Steven is the current Champion Steven >= Wallace. Hard to say if Steven outright better though at least as of now he’s a good upper bound for Wallace’s strength. Lance is easily the biggest mystery variable here since he’s neither had a proper battle or any other feat/portrayal that scales him to any of the other champions. His main appearances come during a TR incident in Johto and the Team Magma/Aqua climax and in those cases he doesn’t show anything to suggest he’s above the other champions.

I mean this is an interesting post comparing all the champions to each other but how on earth does it answer the @Power Up's question?

 

[Ash-Pikachu]

I mean this is an interesting post comparing all the champions to each other but how on earth does it answer the @Power Up's question?

Ash-Greninja is stronger than Diantha's Gardevoir and since Diantha = rest of Champions, then Ash-Greninja must be stronger than their aces.

 

[LilligantLewis]

Ash-Greninja is stronger than Diantha's Gardevoir and since Diantha = rest of Champions, then Ash-Greninja must be stronger than their aces.

Oh, oh, gotcha, I see.