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Ash vs Leon M8 final battle real spoilers/leaks???

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AJ97

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All I hope for is for Dragonite to get a win and not be a fall mon so that people (and the general public fans that talk so much trash on these terribly created youtube videos), can leave Dragonite alone.
Dragonite took out a Regional Champion's ace. That feat alone is leagues ahead of what Charizard, Infernape, Sceptile & Greninja (Kalos only) accomplished.
 

Hu Tao

Serebii Lurker for at least half a decade
Dragonite took out a Regional Champion's ace. That feat alone is leagues ahead of what Charizard, Infernape, Sceptile & Greninja (Kalos only) accomplished.
I stopped taking the powerscaling seriously after Iris was revealed to be the Champion and her Dragonite lost to Dracovish - also Dracovish's first time battling btw lmao. The Iris battle should have been much later in the series or the battle takes place when Iris is only a Gym Leader and not yet a Champion. It just felt weird to go from beating up Gym Leaders and CotD's and suddenly fighting a champion out of nowhere, before even beating an Elite 4 member - felt way too rushed imo.

I find there's no point in trying to compare Pokemon strength. Ash will be scaled up in power whenever the writers want him to beat more powerful trainers, simple as that. It's why Ash's Pikachu can tie with a Latios and couple episodes later, lose to a random Snivy, and then in Alola beat 2 Legendary pokemon in the same tournament. If Charizard, Infernape, etc are brought back, they will be able to get the same wins that the JN team can.
 

AJ97

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I stopped taking the powerscaling seriously after Iris was revealed to be the Champion and her Dragonite lost to Dracovish - also Dracovish's first time battling btw lmao. The Iris battle should have been much later in the series or the battle takes place when Iris is only a Gym Leader and not yet a Champion. It just felt weird to go from beating up Gym Leaders and CotD's and suddenly fighting a champion out of nowhere, before even beating an Elite 4 member - felt way too rushed imo.

I find there's no point in trying to compare Pokemon strength. Ash will be scaled up in power whenever the writers want him to beat more powerful trainers, simple as that. It's why Ash's Pikachu can tie with a Latios and couple episodes later, lose to a random Snivy, and then in Alola beat 2 Legendary pokemon in the same tournament. If Charizard, Infernape, etc are brought back, they will be able to get the same wins that the JN team can.
This argument is frankly Irrelevant.
Yes, Pokemon have always been scaled to be as strong based on Plot convenience. This is not true only with Dracovish. It is just as true in case of Infernape, Charizard, Sceptile, Ash Greninja etc.

That doesn't change the fact that the writers scaled Ash's current Journey's team to beyond Regional Champion tier.

I think it's silly to keep using the argument that Plot dictates strength of Ash's Pokemon and whatever he brings now will be just as strong etc. Going by that point; every single battle result is also based on the Plot. Every single fight within the battle etc is all determined by Plot. So completely disregarding everything this way just seems silly.

The simple fact is Ash's current team was scaled to a level that far exceeds something we've ever seen before. This is an objective fact. Claiming things like Charizard , Infernape would be just as strong if they are brought back etc is just an opinion (Which does have a strong rationale). But they haven't been brought back..
And to add to that; there is one particular incident in the series that further re-inforces Ash's Journey's team being ahead.

This is based on the battle with Paul. Paul explicitly asked Ash to only use the Pokemon he would be taking to the Master Class Tournament. And this was in a setting where he was literally surrounded by All of Ash's Pokemon (Including those he probably even saw before when he went to visit Oak and learn from him). Considering the Master Class Tournament essentially represents a tournament of the strongest trainers in the world and Ash specifically used his Journey's team; I'm inclined to believe this further re-inforces his Journey's team being ahead.

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And going back to your Dracovish defeat Iris's Pokemon argument.
1) We don't know whether Dracovish was trained off-screen or not. Also, if you can believe Iris becoming a Regional Champion; someone arguably inferior to one of the Worst Iterations of Ash who was nowhere close to Regional Champion; you can also accept the fact that Ash trained Dracovish off screen.
 

KibaLG8

Well-Known Member since the DP Series.
This is a section for any news/leaks/spoilers about Ash VS Leon in the finals of M8
Purposely ignored the pinned Thread about leaks, doesn’t matter if that thread is for any kind of leak but it still pertains to Ash VS Leon. So again, what is the point since that other thread can cover this.
 
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wellwellwells

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Purposely ignored the pinned Thread about leaks, doesn’t matter if that thread is for any kind of leak but it still pertains to Ash VS Leon. So again, what is the point since that other thread can cover this.
That the other thread is ful of stupid people discussing anything from Greninja to scaling to reserves EXCEPT leaks.
 

masdog

What is the airspeed of an unladen Swellow?
Let's get to the next series where there are Pokemon battles on motorcycles
Is that the one where Ash’s ace will be Blue Eyes White Dragon?
 

mehmeh1

Looks like my summer vacation is.....over

MetaMantis

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As long as Dragonite gets at least 1 win, I don't really care about the others.

If Ash wins, I want Pikachu to finish off Charizard with a Thunderbolt.
 
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