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Ash's rivals vs May's rivals

Zoramon089

Rising Trainer
Now I know Ash only really had 1 rival (Gary) but Richie was pretty good one too. I mean, out of all the league "friends" he's met, Richie seems like the one who got the most character development. So between Ash and May's rivals who had the better rivals?

Gary & Richie vs Shu & Harley

Personally I think May had the better rivals. They seemed more developed, and actually saw he as competition instead of someone to make fun of or jsut brush off. Not to mention the battles with them can go either way in terms of who wins.
 
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CyberCubed

Yeah, ok!
Even though I really liked Gary (especially Kanto Gary!) I have to go with May on this one.

Giving May an arrogant egotistical pretty boy metrosexual as a rival, as well as a proud, devious, sneaky, and fabulous homosexual as a rival was a really good move.

May's rivals are more "girlish" if anyone noticed, (or have female tendencies) since May is a girl herself. It's a nice foil to her character, her rivaly is also about "Boys Vs. Girls" if anyone noticed. Little girly girl May must overcome her male opponents.

Ash just had the typical arrogant egotistical jerk who was the grandson of Professor Oak, and Richie who was a goody-two shoes.

May had the better rivals overall.
 
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ghost master

the kawaiist thing
its richie but, whatever. I like May's better. Gary quit and Richie hasnt been seen in forever.
I decided to give more reasons. Although Gary was kinda cool. The idea of Richie being a clone of Ash was good but, did they have to make Richie into an even nicer clone of Ash. Drew is similar to Gary but, he has a more feminine touch and although is very competitive with May he did show during the GF show he cared about her. Then there is Harley who is a good coordinator that is intelligent and trying to get revenge on May. One of the not so friendly rivals. Unfortunately since AG started Ash hasnt had an actual rival. I wish he did though. Silver actually would've made an interesting rival but, oh well.
 

Sushi

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Staff member
Super Mod
Masamune should also be an option because he owns 'em all with the exception of Harley. And no, I'm indifferent to the "He's not a real rival because he's only been in one episode beside the Hoenn League!" comment because...yeah.

Masamune had some major character development in the few episodes he appeared in, and was by far the funniest and most interesting rival Ash ever had IMO. Not to mention, he had a realistic personality, something that you can't say about many characters <<. And hey, if Harley wasn't so hot, I'd say the two of them are equal.

Overall...Ash and May both have/had rivals that I really like. Gary and Drew are both great, but I'd say Gary is a tad bit better. And Harley > Masamune or Richie, so...yeah, it's equal in my opinion.
 

V Faction

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To tell you the truth, both pairs aren't my top choices. Gary was very traditional, with both his rivalry and his turn around, which is what I enjoyed about him; Drew is a good provider of character development for May, so he's useful. Richie has at least evolved as a character and Harley probably has such an immense fanbase that it's not easy to hate his charms.

But none of them are my cup of tea.

I'm the kind of guy who goes with Harrison. He's like the good version of a Richie and Gary mix with a hint of lemon. He seemed like Superman. That essence of pride, power, and plainess was a big draw in.

Now, sticking within the boundaries of the thread, I'll choose May's rivals. They've accomplished more together than Gary and Richie (whose partnership is nothing BUT Gary and a little remainer Richie).
 

intergalactic platypus

Only rescues maidens
I really hate Richie (probably the only character I truly hate), and I like Gary ok, so I have to say Mays rivals. Even though I'm not overfond of her herself I'm glad she brought along Harely, the fabulous diva, and Drew everyones favorite metrosexual
 

Zoramon089

Rising Trainer
Oh yeah Masamune, he did have more development than Harrison or Tetsuya and he was funny in a goofy sort of way too. But he didn't have the drive to win as much as Richie or Gary. Remember in the beginning of the match he was kinda sad about battling a friend and his pokemon were KOed really fast? Even though Richie was Ash's friend he knew he'd have to go serious on him
 

Kabuto

little punks!
Gary > Richie
Harley > Drew
Gary > Harley

Have to say Ash. Pokemon will never be the same without Gary.
 

fanderichie

<< Hottie!
I like on of Haruka's rivals and one of Satoshi's rivals...my two favourite characters are Hiroshi and Harley, and I don't like Shigeru and Shuu, so...my answer to the first question is that both have good rivals, and in my opinion, the best are Hiroshi and Harley. Again, in my opinion.
Although I don't like Shigeru and Shuu, I can't deny that they are also good.
 

xXFallenButterflyXx

cherry BLOSSOM.
seizureman said:
Gary > Richie
Harley > Drew
Gary > Harley

Have to say Ash. Pokemon will never be the same without Gary.

I agree. >_<

~;173; Fallen
 

JazzJazz

Well-Known Member
seizureman said:
Pokemon will never be the same without Gary.

It might have to be... it sorta seems that he's been removed from the show, which is a shame.
 

Jo-Jo

blows stuff uhup
May's rivals win, mainly because Richie was included along with Gary. :p

Harley and Drew both remind me of Gary in different parts of the saga. Harley's like Kanto!Gary - he's a straightforward antagonist and the thorn in May's side. Only Harley's better because he's gayer. While Drew's like Johto!Gary - overall a good guy, more complex, more layered relationship with his rival. Only Drew's better because he's gayer.
 
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Poké_Master

Indigo Champion
Drew and Harley for sure. Gary was funny but then he left and Richie hasn't been seen since the Whirl Islands. Maybe the writers forgot about him after "Oaknapped" ...
 

Yamato-san

I own the 5th gen
V Faction said:
To tell you the truth, both pairs aren't my top choices. Gary was very traditional, with both his rivalry and his turn around, which is what I enjoyed about him; Drew is a good provider of character development for May, so he's useful. Richie has at least evolved as a character and Harley probably has such an immense fanbase that it's not easy to hate his charms.

But none of them are my cup of tea.

I'm the kind of guy who goes with Harrison. He's like the good version of a Richie and Gary mix with a hint of lemon. He seemed like Superman. That essence of pride, power, and plainess was a big draw in.

Now, sticking within the boundaries of the thread, I'll choose May's rivals. They've accomplished more together than Gary and Richie (whose partnership is nothing BUT Gary and a little remainer Richie).

I don't know.... Hadzuki seemed like little more than a Ruby/Sapphire advertisement to me. Simply there to be extra motivation for Satoshi to go to the Houen region, and show off the wonders of the new Bashamo by making it beat Lizardon and ultimately cost Satoshi the league.

Are we only counting the big rivals? Not the one-shots like Akira, Kaede, or several of Haruka's contest opponents. When it comes to the big rivals, the only ones of Satoshi's I really liked were Masamune (for much the same reasons Sushi mentioned) and early Kantou Shigeru (I agree that he was an ideal rival back then, acting arrogant and seeming like he couldn't give a damn about Satoshi, a quality we never saw again until Harley). As for Haruka's... Shuu's nothing more than a Shigeru clone by this point (only even more helpful towards his rival), and the only other major rival she has at the moment is Harley, whom I mentioned earlier as being like early Kantou Shigeru. In fact, he's even better than Shigeru, since he's also got a sneaky quality to him, and he hasn't softened up (like Shigeru) at this point, neither. Harley greatly makes up for Shuu's shortcomings. Yeah, I think I'm going with Haruka's. Even if we included the one-shots, I still would've voted for her, since who can deny the greatness of characters like Phantom or Grace?
 

V Faction

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Yamato-san said:
I don't know.... Hadzuki seemed like little more than a Ruby/Sapphire advertisement to me. Simply there to be extra motivation for Satoshi to go to the Houen region, and show off the wonders of the new Bashamo by making it beat Lizardon and ultimately cost Satoshi the league.
That aspect of advertising may be true, but if you count only that then yes, Harrison is going to be a walking billboard. The same could be said for May and most of her recent captures. However, we don't just look at the shiny new Pokemon, correct? We see other qualities, and what I saw from Harrison was a noble figure. Sure, he seems rather cut-and-dry, almost placed there to fulfill one necessity (as you specify), but many other characters started that way as well: Gary, Richie, Masamune, Drew. So I don't believe acting as a source of emotional development for Ash should not be considered much of a hinderance either

The big reason I don't consider Harrison to be nothing more than an advertisement is that if you took out his Blaziken (and Kecleon) and replaced it with another Pokemon, he would appear to be just your average strong final opponent, just as May would still be a strong coordinator if they took out Munchlax, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur. He's got a good variety of Pokemon, all well trained, had an earlier episode that he appeared in, and was even a good inspiration to Ash (then again, who isn't these days).

It's not that I hate Gary, Drew, or Harley (Richie, you're another story), it's just that they have some parts I don't like, parts that are aggravating, clichéd parts. The idea that we know less about Harrison is maybe why I like him, as all he comes off as is then a Superman (rather than a boy scout like Richie).

Speaking of other rivals, Masamune was a deep character but felt a little forced at the beginning, especially with the whole competing attitude, and Tetsuya was strong but had little originality when it came to Pokemon!
 

ghost master

the kawaiist thing
On the subject of the hoenn league rivals and such. I have to agree Masanume was a pretty interesting character and would've been kinda cool to see him come back in another league maybe not the BF because there may not be a league to finish things off so I could understand. Tetsuya had a more interesting background than other rivals,but Tetsuya's team choice, personality and appearence were pretty much all of Ash's previous rivals put in a blender. I liked the Hoenn league one off rivals such as kaede and huuga, I never really liked the one off rivals from kanto(other than AJ) and johto. May's one off rivals though seem better. Mainly because they aren't forgotten remember all the letters from previous contests and Robert returning from the Slateport contest. Also even if we only see the one off rival for May they provide a background for the character anyway. Also Drew I dont see him much of a Shigeru clone. Early hoenn I would've agreed but, he has shown a more developed character and he also caused may's character to develop more. Although I thought Flygon didnt exactly fit Drew compared to his other two pokemon.
 

DEMONCAMERUPT

;ord of pokebattles
Okay May's rivals are a homo (Harley) and a metrosexual (Drew) while Ash had snob (Gary) and and a guy with his persona (Richie) then you've got the fat male Misty (Masume isn't it?) so Ash wins hands down.

I HATE DREW AND HARLEY WITH EVERY FIBRE OF MY BEING (Waits for Drew and Harley fans to come at me with guns and knives)
 

chosen_one386

Angel of Chaos
(comes at DEMONCAMERUPT with a gun and a knife)
May's rivals. Lets analyze, shall we?
Ash's rivals
Gary: He was cool and all, until he became a freakin Pokemon proffessor in the 5th season.
Richie: He was not much of a rival at all to me. He just reminded me too much of Ash.
May I add here that Ash has no more substantial rivals? (I'm in the U. S. of A. people, which means 8th season!)

May's rivals
Harley: Gay guy.... Ok I don't really like him much....
Drew: *sighs* He is SO FREAKIN HOT!!!!!!!!!! The hair and eyes.... Anyway, his Pokemon are pretty good, too.
Does anybody get the feeling that he is starting to hit on May?
Anyway, May's rivals hands down. I guess mostly because of Drew.
 
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