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Ash's strongest Pokemon
- Thread starter Ragnarok4
- Start date
Ragnarok4
2024
he did something awesome vs Iris
PokemonBattleFanatic-
Hardcore Paul Fan
Don't care
SerGoldenhandtheJust
Deluded Dreamer
I do wonder though would you pick up Journeys if Paul reappears? Or atleast watch that episode?
Jers745
I dont know :p
I want to point out that UI is an state not a form so it doesnt count, its like saying that AG(form) is like kaio ken(technique) which is not true
Morax
King of heroes
Autonomous UI is a transformation just like SS and AG.
PokemonBattleFanatic-
Hardcore Paul Fan
Ultra Instinct was originally a technique but Goku's version is apparently a transformation,I compared it to Ash-Greninja because both use it when their backs are against the wall.But neither of them deserved any of these transformations they came out of no where.Kaio-ken has always been a technique that's never changing,a better comparison to Kaio-Ken would be the Eight Gates.
Jers745
I dont know :p
Both are wrong because it was never stated to be a tecnique neither was a transformation it is a state where the user can react before even thinking, an example is the angels that are in this state every moment of their lifes, and no that his hair changes color doesnt mean its a transformation
Jers745
I dont know :p
While in the anime thats true he totally doesnt deserve it i can argue that the manga does this better but i disgress, and yeah kaio ken can be compared to the eight gates because both are power multipliers while putting a huge stress in the body.
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PokemonBattleFanatic-
Hardcore Paul Fan
Yeah Whis said this to Goku and Vegeta in RoF when he was training them but I don't recall him saying it was a flat out mental state.
Jers745
I dont know :p
For more info you could check the manga but thats besides the point, yes Whis tells them (especially goku because vegeta gives up on it) that for them to enter this state their minds must stay in total calm for it to work. Basically the body moves on his own to defend and attack and goku doesnt have control over it
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PokemonBattleFanatic-
Hardcore Paul Fan
I don't read manga especially for DBS.The anime should've made it more clear of what it is because it's still a debate on if it's a form,technique or a mental state but we all know it's just another source of power for Goku even if it's absolute BS.
Jers745
I dont know :p
Yeah the anime is BS, theres so much it doesnt explain and the power scale is all over the place (tho that was already before but not that much), and yeah it is other source of power but like i said its an state not a form (like AG or SS) nor a tecnique (like Kaio Ken or the Eight gates)
Morax
King of heroes
That's quite a vague explanation. SS is a state of immense power, Kaioken is a state of heightened physical attributes. All of goku's transformations are essentially "states". You'll need to be more precise.
Jers745
I dont know :p
Nonono, SS is a form that the user can activate without difficulty and has no backslash after mastering, the kaio ken is a tecnique where the user multiplies its power in exchange to beign more tiresome for the body and if not mastered a huge backslash to it, and UI is an state where the mind of the user has to be in total calmness and left the body do all the work if you fail to maintain the mind then the state deactivates
Morax
King of heroes
They're power ups at the end of the day just like Ash-greninja. I don't see the point of differentiating them.
Jers745
I dont know :p
Yeah but like i said i wanted to point it out that they are not the same
Martinat388
He did the thing!
Not counting my boys Greninja and Pikachu, probably Infernape, Charizard and Sceptile.
As of the Moltres episode, Infernapes bubble thats its one of the strongest has burst, since Talonflame has been confirmed to be stronger now (Hit a Mega, didn't go down without taking a mon with it, and hit a Moltres, unlike Infernape, who needed to be carried by Blastoise).
cricketlaxwolvesbandy
Summoning...
I change my mind. Ash Greninja is a failure. Didn’t have that big win smh.