The battle was lost due to the Seismic Toss error. That's a critical mistake, and you can't just ignore it. And Fighting attacks don't work on Ghosts.
I didn't ignore it, i said fair enough, and i said the way you put it. But there is no way to tell if those rules are going to be applied in an anime battle, thats just common knowledge. And i said fair enough, but throughout that battle i would have to say Charizard did seem mediocre compared to Dusknoir or about the same, but then what does that say about his oponents in the past then? Articuno, Blaziken, Blastoise?
Who deems it unnecessary? You? Those battles were part of Pokemon, too, and should be treated as such. You can't choose which battles to take into consideration and which not to.
Where apart of Pokemon... 3 SAGAS AGO... Logically speaking, what is a better way to measure someones strengh? By their past accolades which happened a while ago no matter how you put it, or more current ones? And linger on the past, what do we see? Ash's Charizard losing to a Pokemon similer to him. Or beating a Pokemon that was in more battles then Charizard was throughout the match... Im after relevence, not bringing up dirt. Cause think about it, past isnt the most reliable source. Pikachu took down a mother****ing Dragonite (dispite it being through multiple battles). OR even all his other fights, but lost to an Elekid first thing in Sinnoh. Now what do you want to look at when measuring Pikachus strength? Dragonite fight or Elekid fight? One in the past, or the one in the present?
And Harrison's Pokemon have nothing to do with this. He probably had better Pokemon, but that doesn't have anything to do with Ash's Pokemon.
Really...nothing? You telling me your oponent has nothing to do with this? Seriously? Im not even going to lingure on this point.
I was stating a fact, which you seemed to be denying. Did I blame Charizard's defeat on the plot?
and it was needed for the plot (as much as you deny it, it was)
Keyword you used in the quote: PLOT. And how is it a fact? Charizard could have just easily have defeated Dusknoir and then lost to Solerock, "for the plot".
There's no way to actually measure a Pokemon's power in the anime, because of the lack of levels and stats.
Once more, if you refuse listen, and instead just close your eyes and ignore what's actually happening, claiming that Charizard does nothing but fatten himself up in the Valley,
No i didnt...
to support your arguments, then you're wrong and just clutching for straws. We can't tell how much he's improved, but we can tell he has. And considering the time period, I'd say considerably.
Contradiction, you cant just say you cant tell and then say he has considerably, its one or the other. And personally i say you cant tell..
So who was the stronger Pokemon? Dusknoir or Articuno? Cause he went back to the valley to "train" did he not? But he came back and lost... Does that mean that Dusknoir was just superior?
And in the anime, new moves generally equate to more training, more power and more experience; just so you know.
Well yes and no, more training? yes. More power? no, not really. Cause the moves arent just learnt cause the Pokemon has gotten stronger but more to do with the situation at hand which you have seen countless times in the anime. For example: Skittys Blizzard. It didnt learn it through strength but mearly situation