I didn't ignore it, i said fair enough, and i said the way you put it. But there is no way to tell if those rules are going to be applied in an anime battle, thats just common knowledge. And i said fair enough, but throughout that battle i would have to say Charizard did seem mediocre compared to Dusknoir or about the same, but then what does that say about his oponents in the past then? Articuno, Blaziken, Blastoise?
Obviously those rules will be applied! They even
were applied...
The anime doesn't mess up type matchups too much anymore. You can't say "we don't know if they'd applied that", when they so obviously did.
And Charizard matched Dusclops quite easily throughout the battle, gaining the slight upperhand until the Seismic Toss order. And do you think Dusclops is some pathetic weakling?
Where apart of Pokemon... 3 SAGAS AGO... Logically speaking, what is a better way to measure someones strengh? By their past accolades which happened a while ago no matter how you put it, or more current ones?
Both of them. Charizard was strong in the past, as evident, and that power hasn't dropped. It's increased, on the contrary.
And linger on the past, what do we see? Ash's Charizard losing to a Pokemon similer to him. Or beating a Pokemon that was in more battles then Charizard was throughout the match... Im after relevence, not bringing up dirt.
It's not "dirt". It's all relevant to Charizard's battle record, however you slice it.
Cause think about it, past isnt the most reliable source. Pikachu took down a mother****ing Dragonite (dispite it being through multiple battles). OR even all his other fights, but lost to an Elekid first thing in Sinnoh.
Yeah, that Dragonite was quite weakened (guess by who?), which was the reason Pikachu could defeat it. Tied with the Elekid, I believe.
Now what do you want to look at when measuring Pikachus strength? Dragonite fight or Elekid fight? One in the past, or the one in the present?
I'll take both. A weakened Dragonite is comparable to a well-trained Elekid under a good battler like Paul. Besides, Pikachu's "power resets" are common knowledge.
Really...nothing? You telling me your oponent has nothing to do with this? Seriously? Im not even going to lingure on this point.
That's what
you're saying. I'm saying Harrison's Pokemon aren't relevant when comparing Ash's.
and it was needed for the plot (as much as you deny it, it was)
Keyword you used in the quote: PLOT. And how is it a fact? Charizard could have just easily have defeated Dusknoir and then lost to Solerock, "for the plot".
It was to show how Brandon was good enough to even take down Ash's supposed best Pokemon first. That adds drama and suspense into the battle, while putting pressure on Ash.
Well obviously not in so many words, but you question if Charizard is at all training.
Contradiction, you cant just say you cant tell and then say he has considerably, its one or the other. And personally i say you cant tell..
I said you can't tell
exactly. You can make a fair logical deduction. "Considerably" isn't a precise value, if you've noticed.
So who was the stronger Pokemon? Dusknoir or Articuno? Cause he went back to the valley to "train" did he not? But he came back and lost... Does that mean that Dusknoir was just superior?
...
He lost because of Ash's incompetency.
Once again, it may not be Articuno level strong, but Brandon's Dusclops isn't weak by any means, as you seem to be assuming.
Well yes and no, more training? yes. More power? no, not really. Cause the moves arent just learnt cause the Pokemon has gotten stronger but more to do with the situation at hand which you have seen countless times in the anime. For example: Skittys Blizzard. It didnt learn it through strength but mearly situation
A Pokemon's training and experience are part of its strength or power. Power doesn't merely mean physical strength. But for Charizard to learn new moves and master it, it needs strength and skill even if it was learned "situationally". Somehow.
My point, to sum it up in a nut shell: Charizard is overated and cant be called Ash's strongest Pokemon as there is no way to prove he is.
Only if you ignore the evidence, that is.