Another question: when, if any time, is it better to fill one slot on your team with a physical/special wall versus a mixed one? I'm trying to figure out if blissey (special wall) vs cresselia (mixed wall) would fit better, because they each offer different benefits, but blissey offers one less dark weakness...any advice?
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randomspot555
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The thing about walls is, no one can wall like Blissey. Blissey is basically what keeps special sweepers from dominating the metagame, because it can shut them all down and force a switch. I suspect this is part of the reason why mixed attackers are so much more common, so you aren't so easily walled by the defensive Pokemon.
And part of the reason why physical offense is so powerful in today's metagame is because no one on the physical side can wall like Blissey can, at least not without a lot of set up.
You really should ask yourself why you need a Pokemon who's sole purpose is to just take a beating. I prefer using sets and tweaking EVs so my Pokes can survive 1-2 hits and still have some attacking power. Scizor, Gyarados, Salamence, Dragonite, even Weavile (as Rhys pointed out way back when) can all work small wonders with proper defensive EV investment without sacrificing their immense offensive power.
I'm running on nearly empty, so Blue Ace etc... should feel free to add more to whatever I said.
And part of the reason why physical offense is so powerful in today's metagame is because no one on the physical side can wall like Blissey can, at least not without a lot of set up.
You really should ask yourself why you need a Pokemon who's sole purpose is to just take a beating. I prefer using sets and tweaking EVs so my Pokes can survive 1-2 hits and still have some attacking power. Scizor, Gyarados, Salamence, Dragonite, even Weavile (as Rhys pointed out way back when) can all work small wonders with proper defensive EV investment without sacrificing their immense offensive power.
I'm running on nearly empty, so Blue Ace etc... should feel free to add more to whatever I said.
Ok my question got bumped off the page w/ no answer so I'm reposting:
Is there another way to beat stall rather than throwing in a mixed sweeper? or is that really the only way to 100% deal with it? because I don't have room for one on my team right now and i need to break that awful Skarm/Bliss/Cress/tentacruel/Hippowdon/Celebi/Rotom-Forme you-pick-four team style that's floating around right now.
And I dont mean counters I mean a way to beat stall
Is there another way to beat stall rather than throwing in a mixed sweeper? or is that really the only way to 100% deal with it? because I don't have room for one on my team right now and i need to break that awful Skarm/Bliss/Cress/tentacruel/Hippowdon/Celebi/Rotom-Forme you-pick-four team style that's floating around right now.
And I dont mean counters I mean a way to beat stall
Well? Anyone?
hobby
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The one you mentioned is the one I use, though I got it from Rhys, who swears by it. The biggest advantage is that it is slightly more accurate than Metalkid.
Here is the link if you need it, http://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html
There may be better calculators out there, but I haven't found one.
pokedude001
mid trainer
what is the best grass pokemon to battle online without getting ko'd in one shot
Celebi and Shaymin both have 100/100/100 Defences. Tangrowth is quite bulky too. Celebi has a healing move, but is hard to obtain. Pretty much every Grass Pokemon in the game is going to be 0HKOd by Heatran's Fire Blast though... so your last part's out. (Unless you opt for Grass Arceus or something)
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Follow the Path
I don't like Torkoal as a spinner, due to its Stealth Rock weakness. The spinner you pick depends on what else you have on the team.
StompPikachus
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A few days back i was on (i think) the competitive single rates forum and saw someone had mentioned a choice scarf set for scizor (possibly Rhys?...not sure). Does anyone know what I'm talking about and can anyone direct me to where I can find that set?
chilo_life
Blue Duck
Wow, he's fire, duh. I should have realized that. I guess I'll experiment with him and Forretress, see which one works better with a certain team.
Reno
so adorable...
It is basically the CB set but with a Scarf.
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Follow the Path
The forums have a search function where you search for threads and posts containing whatever you want. It's a rather efficient feature.
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Follow the Path
It's the mood swings. Regardless of them, I'm always a good user. How I act depends on how many people I want sucking my dick. It's gotta be awfully crowded around yours, so I can service the others if you want.
StompPikachus
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The forums have a search function where you search for threads and posts containing whatever you want. It's a rather efficient feature.
thanks. i tried that but i'm not sure exactly which forum i was in or if it was rather a separate RMT thread i was reading.
Is the EV spread the same as the CB set?
mutantmango
A Rampaging Luvdisc
I recently got traded a Timid WCS Milotic, and I was wondering what to use with it.
I haven't got a clue. It does have Icy Wind though (lowering Speed can be useful against Mence, Heatran etc), so maybe some sort of tank? Possibly a moveset of Surf/Icy Wind/Toxic/Recover?
Any help on EVs would be greatly appreciated.
I haven't got a clue. It does have Icy Wind though (lowering Speed can be useful against Mence, Heatran etc), so maybe some sort of tank? Possibly a moveset of Surf/Icy Wind/Toxic/Recover?
Any help on EVs would be greatly appreciated.
randomspot555
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Icy Wind can arguably be used to force switches, but the base power is so low that you might as well just use Ice Beam instead. But in a gimmicky sense, it might work, depending on the rest of your team.
Your standard Specs should be fine.
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252 sp atk/252 speed/4 HP
Timid
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam,
- Dragon Pulse
- Filler
For the 4th slot, you'll want a good Hidden Power to round out your coverage because Milotic's move pool sucks. HP Grass would be handy to take on Swampert or HP Fire for Scizor, though neither will enjoy repeated STAB Surf/Hydro Pump. HP Electric (best) would be fine for Gyarados and prevent easy switch ins from other water types.
Now assuming your Hidden Power sucks, you can still put something useful in the 4th slot. Surf is an option if you want a more accurate STAB (But Hydro Pump should be in the 1st slot because, assuming you're up against a special attacker, Milotic can afford to miss). Toxic could help out against bulky waters like Suicune. Icy Wind is only an option for the 4th slot if you want something VERY gimmicky. Sometimes gimmicky can be pulled off on Wi-Fi, though I've lost more than a few battles because I chose to be "unique" instead of doing what's best in terms of strategy.
If you wanted to Scarf it, think about specific opponents you want to outrun, adjust the speed EVs, then dump whatever is left over into a defensive stat (though there's a very real possibility you might just stick with the 252/252/4 spread anyway).
And don't feel too bad if you end up deleting Icy Wind. Milotic can re-learn it in Platinum via Move Tutor.
EDIT: My question: If Shaymin-S was banned from Smogon's Shoddy server because it can't be used on Wi-Fi, then why are the Rotom forms still allowed?
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SelenaluvsDylan22
Goodbye Rebellion
You could use it as a CB dragonite 252 spe 252 att 4 HP
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