Attacks That Should Have Been Learnt!

[ChaosMage]

OK, I had a random thought and it led to this thread. Are there any moves that the gang's pokemon can learn, but never got around to learning? For now, I'll talk about recently departed pokemon, which left at the end of Hoenn.

Personally, I would have loved to see Lotad/Lobre/Ludicolo learn and use Nature Power. Swift is pertty dull, but using attacks like Shadow Ball Earthquake, Stun Spore, Surf etc. with constant variety depending on the gang's location is pretty cool in my book!

Torkoal could have learnt Heat Wave or Eruption, but I think two fire attacks was enough to be fair, and Overheat took on the role of "signature move". Sludge Bomb would have been cool, though, as would Mud Slap.

I would have loved to see Crunch, Sheer Cold, Hail and Protect from Glalie, as well as maybe Explosion. All of them suit it down to the ground, and would have given it more diversity in its short time as a star. There are some others worth considering, but Donphan seems to have all of them!

Skitty had quite a lot of diversity with Assist and Blizzard, but maybe some of its cute attacks like Sing, Covet, Charm and Attract should have appeared more often.

Beautifly should have had Psychic and Morning Sun, while Bulbasaur would have worked well with Grasswhistle or Synthesis, and maybe Sweet Scent. Those two were OK anyway as movesets go.

I'll post some Johto opinions later. By the by, please don't refer to any pokemon currently on the team, as they still can learn moves.

 

[Almighty Zard]

here is one jouto opinion Cyndaquil should've learned flame wheel if nothing else.

 

[Torkoal Stu]

Sheer Cold at all would of been nice, I didn't think that was ever shown :/

Well in my opinion Skitty should of learnt some more 'cutesy' attacks, I mean Assist and Blizzard were great but still it is a Skitty, get some 'cutesy' attacks in there.

 

[crawdauntpro]

My thoughts: -
Pikachu; N/A
Pidgeot; Sky Attack
Charizard; N/A
Bulbasaur; N/A
Squirtle; N/A
Kingler; N/A
Muk; Shadow Punch and Earthquake
Tauros; N/A
Butterfree; Silver Wind and Psybeam
Primeape; Karate Chop, Cross Chop and Brick Break
Lapras; Hydro Pump, Body Slam
Snorlax; N/A
Heracross; Brick Break
Bayleef; Frenzy Plant
Cyndaquil; Blast Burn and Flame Wheel
Totodile; Hydros' Pump and Cannon
Noctowl; Steel Wing
Donphan; Horn Attack
Swellow; N/A
Sceptile; Dragonclaw, Solarbeam and Dragonbreath
Corphish; Crunch and Water Pulse
Torkoal; Heat Wave
Glalie; Blizzard and Sheer Cold

 

[shining-Celebi]

Well I think Ash's Bulbasaur should have learned at least one poison type move, like Sludge Bomb or Toxic, since it is part poison.

 

[ChaosMage]

crawdauntpro, half of the moves you said didn't exist at the time when the Kanto/Johto pokemon were on the series. Try to only refer to moves that were possible at the time of their leaving.

 

[crawdauntpro]

crawdauntpro, half of the moves you said didn't exist at the time when the Kanto/Johto pokemon were on the series. Try to only refer to moves that were possible at the time of their leaving.

What I meant was that they should learn them now so when Ash recalls them he could be surprised apart from the ones on his team of course. Apologies about the confusion anyways.

 

[V Faction]

Torkoal should have gotten Heat Wave. It's both insane and a pity that it never did.

Charizard, rather than get Overheat, should have received Blast Burn. Conditions were right, the setting was prime, the time was now. Well, 'then', in this time frame.

The only really extra thing Glalie could have used would've been Blizzard OR Sheer Cold. But more for Sheer Cold because Blizzard was over done.

Mudkip... I know it's Marshtomp now, but something, anything, would've been helpful!

Those who said Cyndaquil with Flame Wheel... Yer right. (add evolution to that order if ya don't mind)

Totodile would have been good with Crunch.

I'm still waiting for Slam with Sceptile...

 

[ghost master]

By the by, please don't refer to any pokemon currently on the team, as they still can learn moves.

I'm going to ignore this because technically the pokemon at oaks can still learn new moves as well so its not fair to not state wishes for the current team. Also BTW Beautifly did use morning sun check the big anime move catalog.
Torkoal should've later on learned heat wave. Glalie should've learned sheer cold or shadow ball. Also I still find it suprising that Glalie cant learn ice ball. Corphish most definitly should learn crunch, guillotine or water pulse. I thought Totodile should''ve learned bite. Charizard should've learned blast burn instead of making a big deal out of overheat. Ash never made a big deal about Torkoal's overheat but, the writers/animators made this out to be a better looking stronger overheat.
Beautifly could've/should've learned psychic. May's Bulbasaur I secretly wished had learned magical leaf,grass whistle, or sweet scent.May's Squirtle should've learned water pulse or yawn. Eevee can do with double edge, double team, sand attack or return but, its a good thing the writers had it learn shadow ball.
Eh anything would've been good for Brock. Ludicolo and Crobat had potential.

 

[Robotboy]

Torkoal seriously deserved to get Heat Wave ( Am I wrong in saying that it's the only Pokémon capable of learning the move? ), but Overheat took the place of its signature move... which is sort of cheapened, now, since Charizard knows it as well.

Glalie... it didn't really need Blizzard, not when it had Ice Beam and Icy Wind at its disposal. Sheer Cold would've been a nice touch, though, but it would've been awesome if it knew Crunch or Spikes.

Skitty definitely should've had Attract. Or at least its Cute Charm ability should've been noted and taken advantage of. Heh, just imagine seeing Dusclops or Houndoom blushing at its specific Contest matches.

I liked Ludicolo's moveset fine, actually. I'm surprised that no one's mentioned Rain Dance for it, seeing as its in-game abilities benefit immensely from the move.

Can't think of anything for Beautifly at the moment. It's moveset seemed to handle itself just fine.

 

[ChaosMage]

I liked Ludicolo's moveset fine, actually. I'm surprised that no one's mentioned Rain Dance for it, seeing as its in-game abilities benefit immensely from the move.

And Lombre's debut episode was about rain dancing!

 

[Yamato-san]

the Jouto starters really should learn the elemental beams. Something to put them at the level of their 1st and 3rd generation counterparts, and it would showcase Pokemon XD. Bayleaf, especially, seems fitted for Frenzy Plant since it's kind of an upgraded Vine Whip, which she specializes in. I'll be pissed if Fushigidane ends up learning it.

 

[Aptenodytes]

I think Pidgeot should've learned Sky Attack when it left.

 

[DEMONCAMERUPT]

moves i'd like to see Ash and co's pokes learn are:

Pikachu: n/a.

Muk: Disable, Poison gas.

Swellow: Hyperbeam.

Torkoal: Heat Wave, Sludge Bomb.

Totodile: Surf, Leer.

Bayleef: Petal Dance (can she learn that one?).

Bulbasaur (Ash's): Poison Powder.

Bulbasaur (May's): Sleep Powder.

Combustken: Fire Punch, Cross Chop, Double Kick.

Ludicolo: Rain Dance.

Geodude: Earthquake, Roll out.

Onix: Iron Tail (I'm gonna get shot for that one ain't I).

Crobat: Mega Drain, Bite, Razor Wind.

Squirtle (Ash's): n/a.

Squirtle (May's): Rapid Spin, Powder Snow(?).

Cyndiqual: Flame Wheel.

Donphan: Sand Tomb, Fissure.

Sceptile: Fury Cutter, Slam, Detect, Solar Beam.

thats all i can think of at the moment.

so what do you guys think?

 

[Gravy]

Not really animé related as such, but the fact that Combusken is the only 1st stager of the Houen starters that can't learn it's evolution line's signature move always irked me. You can't tell me learning Blaze Kick as opposed to Mega Kick wouldn't have been awesome.

I agree with everyone who has stated that Cyndaquil would have worked wonders with Flame Wheel. It would have made for a far more interesting physical contact move than the dreaded 'Tackle'.
Infact, its pretty messed up that a pokémon based on an echidna, of all creatures, didn't master a technique which required it to curl into a ball...

I agree with Yamato-san concerning Bayleef learning Frenzy Plant. It would certainly be helpful to give her another move to pry her out of Bulbasaur's eclipsing shadow.

Corphish should have kept his his one-shot Dig attack, because he's in desperate need of any decent moves these days.
Same goes for Noctowl and Totodile. Noctowl would have done nicely with Psybeam (its more of a long range attacker anyway), whilst Totodile could have been blessed with something that doesn't involve it making stupid faces or biting things ie. Hydro Pump, Surf or the once sparce Ice Beam.

Heracross could use a good fighting technique. Brick Break would be the perfect choice methinks, and would actually give the guy a chance to use a physical contact move that doesn't require him to use his horn.
Laugh at the unintentional lame-ass innuendo people.

Haruka's Squirtle/Munchlax should have learnt either Internal Bleed or Heart Failure instead of Ice Beam/Solarbeam. What a waste of good potential :/

 

[RaikousThunder]

Torkoal seriously deserved to get Heat Wave ( Am I wrong in saying that it's the only Pokémon capable of learning the move? ), but Overheat took the place of its signature move... which is sort of cheapened, now, since Charizard knows it as well.

Charizard, owned by another trainer, used Heat Wave in the Hoenn League. Moltres, Vulpix, Growlithe and Slugma can also learn it. I would have liked to see more of it in the anime. It would have been a good move for Torkoal. I dont think it needed Flamethrower and Overheat since its basically a powered up Flamethrower with a negative effect attached to it. Though Heat Wave is only a little bit strong that Flamethrower it might have not been necessary either.

I would have liked to have seen Tauros with some different moves. Tauros can learn a few good surprise moves like Surf, Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Thunderbolt, Solarbeam and Ice Beam. Iron Tail and Earthquake would be good Pysical moves for it.

I agree with others that Flame Wheel would have been a good move for Cyndaquil. Only three other pokemon can use that move, not including evos and Cyndaquil is the only Johto one that can. I also agree the Johto starters should get the elemental beams and um possibly an evolution for Cyndaquil and Tototdile.

I think most of Ash's pokemon ,especially ones we dont get to see much of like Tauros, Kingler and Muk should learn moves with more of a variety and not just the basic moves you expect them to have. I like when a surprise attack pops up now and again.

Now on his current team id like to see

Pikachu: Nothing, it doesnt need anymore attacks.

Swellow: Endeavor, Facade or Sky Attack
Facade would work so well with Swellow's ability.

Corphish: Guillotine, Sludgebomb or maybe even Ancientpower

Donphan: Rock Slide or Counter
It'd be cool to see one of Ash's pokemon have that move.

Sceptile: Fury Cutter, Slam, Dragonbreath or Thunderpunch

 

[Swellow]

Dang i wish Explosion was still a TM or the Munchlax and Squirtle lines could learn it naturally. For others i would eventually like Marshtomp to learn Muddy Water since it's the only pokemon IIRC that can learn the attack besides Swampert, and Corphish should eventually learn Crunch.

 

[Electrobulb]

I think Swellow should have used Sky attack...Actually,i think it might have once...An more cute skitty...there was not enough cute skitty attacks...:'(

 

[charmander04]

Pikachu shouldv'e learned Spark and Zap Cannon. Sceptile shoulv'e learnt Giga drain and Ingrain. Corphish should learn Aurora Beam and Iron Defence. Swellow Should learn Steel Wing and Double Edge. Forretress should learn twin needle. Marshtomp should learn Dig. Bonsly should learn Rock Throw. Munchlax should learn Swallow (Fits him Dosen't It?) Combusken Should Learn Dynamic Punch and Fire Punch. Squirtle Should Learn Rain Dance. Eevee Should Learn Quick Attack. Seviper Should learn Smog. Cacnea Should learn Bite. Dustox Shoul learn Toxic. Manene should Learn Psywave.

Pokemon Not On Team:

Glalie should have learnt Explosion and Spikes. Torkoal Should have learnt Eruption and Fire Spin. Ludicolo Shoulv'e Learnt Rain Dance and Magical leaf. Beautifly shoulv'e learnt Signal Beam. Skitty Shoulv'e Learnt Solarbeam Bulbasaur (may's) shoulv'e learnt Bullet Seed. Bulbasaur (ash's) shoulve learnt Sludge Bomb. Bayleaf Shoulv'e learnt Synthenis. Cyndaquil shoulv'e learnt flame wheel. Totodile shoulv'e learnt Whirlpool. Noctowl Shoulv'e Learn Mirror Move. Heracross shoulve learn Dynamic Punch. Snorlax Shoulv'e Learnt Yawn. Kingler Shoulve Learnt Crab Hammer. Muk Shoulv'e Learn Sludge Bomb. Tauros Shoulv'e Learnt Earthquake. Charizard Shoulv'e learnt Areial Ace. Squirtle Shoulv'e Learnt Water Pulse. Crobat Shoulv'e learnt crunch. Onix Shoulv'e Learnt Iron Tail. Geodude Shoulv'e Learnt Rock Tomb.

 

[Lost Angel_Setsuna]

Pikachu shouldv'e learned Spark and Zap Cannon. Sceptile shoulv'e learnt Giga drain and Ingrain. Corphish should learn Aurora Beam and Iron Defence. Swellow Should learn Steel Wing and Double Edge. Forretress should learn twin needle. Marshtomp should learn Dig. Bonsly should learn Rock Throw. Munchlax should learn Swallow (Fits him Dosen't It?) Combusken Should Learn Dynamic Punch and Fire Punch. Squirtle Should Learn Rain Dance. Eevee Should Learn Quick Attack. Seviper Should learn Smog. Cacnea Should learn Bite. Dustox Shoul learn Toxic. Manene should Learn Psywave.

Pokemon Not On Team:

Glalie should have learnt Explosion and Spikes. Torkoal Should have learnt Eruption and Fire Spin. Ludicolo Shoulv'e Learnt Rain Dance and Magical leaf. Beautifly shoulv'e learnt Signal Beam. Skitty Shoulv'e Learnt Solarbeam Bulbasaur (may's) shoulv'e learnt Bullet Seed. Bulbasaur (ash's) shoulve learnt Sludge Bomb. Bayleaf Shoulv'e learnt Synthenis. Cyndaquil shoulv'e learnt flame wheel. Totodile shoulv'e learnt Whirlpool. Noctowl Shoulv'e Learn Mirror Move. Heracross shoulve learn Dynamic Punch. Snorlax Shoulv'e Learnt Yawn. Kingler Shoulve Learnt Crab Hammer. Muk Shoulv'e Learn Sludge Bomb. Tauros Shoulv'e Learnt Earthquake. Charizard Shoulv'e learnt Areial Ace. Squirtle Shoulv'e Learnt Water Pulse. Crobat Shoulv'e learnt crunch. Onix Shoulv'e Learnt Iron Tail. Geodude Shoulv'e Learnt Rock Tomb.

Sceptile Ingrain? It's an outarge for his high speed.Pikachu doesn't need spark.Seviper knows smog.Cacnea and bite???.Torkoal doesn't need firespin and Cynda desn't need flamewheel.Kingler knows crabhammer and Muk knows sludgebomb...