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Aug 11th: XY&Z037 - The Finals! Ash VS Alan!!

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ShadowForce720

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Wait...how can Tyranitar have Iron Tail covered? And it won't know Earthquake. Earthquake hasn't been used as a move in the anime since, I think, AG (?). Especially after 2011, it's not gonna happen, so find a different Earth move to cover that.

Not that I would think that Alain's Tyranitar will wind up having Earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see Earthquake again given that we have wound up seeing moves like Blast Burn, Lands Wrath, and Bulldoze that all wind up having an effect on the ground.
 

Disaster_Lord

Sad Bayleef is Sad.
How? One Earthquake would defeat Pikachu. It has Iron Tail but Tyranitar might have that covered.

The only instance where SE truly felt like it mattered in this saga was when Hawlucha obliterated abomasnow.

The writers can make a swellow take more hits than a multi scale lugia if they see fit, Pikachu won't fall to a SE move that easily, not when the writers LOVE to use the underdog effect.
 

Omegaz

Captain Amourica
Lmao, do people seriously believe Tyranitar is going to wreck Pikachu? It's funny because these are the same people that support the status quo and dislike the changes. Wouldn't you then expect Pikachu to win? He may not be fully evolved, but he has been around for 20 years and has wrecked legendaries and pseudos. He'll get his win in this battle and in the Shota battle. He's too good to be a fall guy.
 

phanpycross

God-king
Lmao, do people seriously believe Tyranitar is going to wreck Pikachu? It's funny because these are the same people that support the status quo and dislike the changes. Wouldn't you then expect Pikachu to win? He may not be fully evolved, but he has been around for 20 years and has wrecked legendaries and pseudos. He'll get his win in this battle and in the Shota battle. He's too good to be a fall guy.

Yeah, that's why we want one of the kalos pokemon to get the wins instead, since pikachu will stick around for all the other regions.

and there are arent any changes in xy
 

DS0308

<--- Actually me
Not that I would think that Alain's Tyranitar will wind up having Earthquake, but I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see Earthquake again given that we have wound up seeing moves like Blast Burn, Lands Wrath, and Bulldoze that all wind up having an effect on the ground.

I remember hearing something about the fact that it's called Earthquake is the reason it isn't used, but I could just be talking out of my ***.
 

Epicocity

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I remember hearing something about the fact that it's called Earthquake is the reason it isn't used, but I could just be talking out of my ***.

No, I'm pretty sure that's the exact reason. Earthquake as a move in the anime is kind of taboo, especially after the 2011 one, I'd imagine we'll never see it again.

Also, to Omegaz, that's because supposedly Pikachu knowing Iron Tail and being on Latios' back makes those wins invalid. Supposedly...I don't get it either.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
So will this have a slow start and suddenly get a fast second part, or will it be backwards? Well, we need to see the victory ceremony.

It's still better to read those essays than your lame jokes...

I was serious about the first line, so your little comment comes across as hurtful to me.
 

lemoncatpower

Cynical optimist
If anything I could see Pikachu winning or tying against Tyranitar.

Pikachu seems to have an impressive win in almost all the leagues, and it seems like they want to treat Pikachu well here also.
That's just the feeling I get.
 

diakyu

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If Ash doesn't use Noivern first and it has an amazing entrance like Hawlucha to finally cement their relationship this fight will be trash.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
If Ash doesn't use Noivern first and it has an amazing entrance like Hawlucha to finally cement their relationship this fight will be trash.

Remember when Talonflame was close to the bat? Good times.
 

diakyu

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AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
Hawlucha was always displayed as the closer one though since day 1?

Talonflame cared about teaching the bat how to fly, and that was arguably more important to Noibat until Talonflame was pushed aside.
 

Shooti

Uber Trainer
It's Ash's Pikachu, it can defeat a legendary and would lose to a beginner trainer's Snivy the other day, Level fluctuates between 5-500. I can see this thing taking down Tyranitar to be honest. It all depends on the context, but Pikachu defeating Tyranitar would be unrealistic.

Pikachu should get Weavile
Goodra should take down Tyranitar.
Greninja gets Metagross and Charizaard-X since it's powers are supposed to be limitless when required.
 
I think Greninja could take down Metagross but narrowly loses to Charizard. I can see Goodra and Tyranitar going head to head in battle.
 

ShadowForce720

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It's Ash's Pikachu, it can defeat a legendary and would lose to a beginner trainer's Snivy the other day, Level fluctuates between 5-500. I can see this thing taking down Tyranitar to be honest. It all depends on the context, but Pikachu defeating Tyranitar would be unrealistic.

Pikachu should get Weavile
Goodra should take down Tyranitar.
Greninja gets Metagross and Charizaard-X since it's powers are supposed to be limitless when required.

I think Hawlucha should get Weavile, as it wound up being the fall guy in the Ash vs Sawyer/Shota match it should get at least one win in the Ash vs Alain match and let's face it there most likely not going to have it beat Metagross and definetly not have it beat Mega Charizard X. Plus if it goes where we only get too see Tyranitar, Weavile and Metagross in this episode and don't wind up seeing Alain's other 3 pokemon until next episode that would mean in order for Pikachu to battle and win against Weavile that would mean Hawlucha is probably going to be the fall guy again which isn't really fair to Hawlucha that it should be the fall guy just so Pikachu can get a win against a Weavile.

I think it should be more like this:

Hawlucha gets Weavile
Noivern, Talonflame, or Goodra(only if Noivern has already beaten one of Alain's other pokemon and winds up losing to Metagross otherwise Noivern should get Metagross) gets Metagross
Pikachu/Goodra gets Tyranitar
Pikachu/Goodra(which ever one didn't beat Tyranitar) gets Alain's 5th or 6th pokemon that hasn't been revealed yet.
then Alain's 5th or 6th pokemon which ever one didn't lose to Pikachu or Goodra then could wind up either losing to Talonflame, or loses to Hawlucha, Pikachu, Goodra, or Noivern.
Greninja<-->Ash-Greninja gets Charizard<-->Mega Charizard X

Now if the first pokemon out in the match are Pikachu and Tyranitar then the only way Tyranitar would be able to face Goodra is either Tyranitar actually beats Pikachu(which would mean that Pikachu is the fall guy)or Pikachu gets recalled. Also I can't see Metagross coming out first or second so I think Tyranitar and Weavile will come out before Metagross and if Weavile and Pikachu comes out first or Weavile winds up battling Goodra after it battles Pikachu that would mean that since we know Weavile faces Hawlucha that means that Pikachu would either wind up losing to Weavile or winds up being recalled.

Also if Hawlucha and Weavile are the first pokemon out and Pikachu is still going to face Weavile then that means Hawlucha will be the fall guy again. Also if Goodra winds up facing Weavile then since I can't see Ash sending Goodra out when Weavile is already out, I think it's much more likely that Goodra is already on the field and Alain sends out Weavile to counter Goodra so I think match ups this episode will probably wind up like this:

Pikachu vs Tyranitar: Tyranitar wins or Pikachu gets recalled before Tyranitar can knocked it out.
Goodra vs Tyranitar:Goodra
Goodra vs Weavile: Weavile
Hawlucha vs Weavile: Hawlucha
Hawlucha vs Metagross: Metagross
Noivern vs Metagross: the battle ends on a cliffhanger maybe it winds up like this where both Noivern and Metagross fire off attacks that collide and we wind up getting a cliffhanger to where we wind up having to wait until episode 38 to see the rest of the battle.

Also in case anyone's wondering why I think Weavile and Tyranitar will be used during this episode instead of next and be the first 2 out it's because they are both on the same battleground as each other, but if you compare the battleground their fighting on to what Mega Charizard X is fighting on you will notice it's different. Also it wouldn't be the first time that Pikachu was the first pokemon to come out in a full battle in a league match and then Ash winds up recalling it as it happened during Ash match with Paul where Paul sent out Aggron first and Ash sent out Pikachu first and then Ash decide to recall Pikachu as it wasn't able to really do that much against Aggron.

Also the more I look at this the less likely it seems that Pikachu will be the one to beat Tyranitar unless there is a pokemon that comes out after Tyranitar but before Weavile and then that pokemon winds up beating Pikachu and that cause Ash to send Goodra out other then that I really can't see Pikachu beating Tyranitar. Now I know people are saying that oh because Pikachu has beaten some legendary pokemon before like winning against Regice and then tieing with Latios and has beaten Mega Lucario before that it shouldn't lose to Tyranitar, although going by that logic that means that Pikachu should have beaten Paul's Aggron back in D&P because it beat a Regice, but instead it wound up getting recalled.

So I think Pikachu will either lose to Tyranitar or will just get recalled before Tyranitar can beat it, if it's the former of the two options that would mean that Pikachu would be the fall guy of the match, however if it's the latter of the two that would mean Pikachu would still have a chance to get a win it just wouldn't be against Tyranitar and instead it would be against one of Alain's two remaining pokemon that haven't been revealed yet.
 
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Mirto

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My prediction:

- Pikachu vs Tyranitar - Tyranitar brings sandstorm, Pikachu recalled minutes later
- Goodra vs Tyranitar - Goodra wins (1-0)
- Goodra vs Weavile - Goodra recalled after receiving some hits
- Hawlucha vs Weavile - Hawlucha wins (2-0)
- Hawlucha vs Metagross - Ash wants to recall Hawlucha but he refuses. Metagross wins. (2-1)
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- Noivern or Talonflame vs Metagross - Metagross defeated (3-1)
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Option A) Somehow Ash is winning 5-3, then Zard beats Goodra and Pikachu.
Option B) Goodra isn't recalled (vs Weavile). Greninja vs Zard is the last match after Pikachu/Talonflame/Noiver tie with - insert Alain's 5th pokemon -
 

DracoMaster121

Strategy Trainer
It's Ash's Pikachu, it can defeat a legendary and would lose to a beginner trainer's Snivy the other day, Level fluctuates between 5-500. I can see this thing taking down Tyranitar to be honest.

This is so true, you can't tell how powerful Pikachu is until the battle begins.
It looks like Hawlucha is going to take Weavile down at this point.
 
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