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Aug 11th: XY&Z037 - The Finals! Ash VS Alan!!

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jrizza88

Meteorite
My prediction:

- Pikachu vs Tyranitar - Tyranitar brings sandstorm, Pikachu recalled minutes later
- Goodra vs Tyranitar - Goodra wins (1-0)
- Goodra vs Weavile - Goodra recalled after receiving some hits
- Hawlucha vs Weavile - Hawlucha wins (2-0)
- Hawlucha vs Metagross - Ash wants to recall Hawlucha but he refuses. Metagross wins. (2-1)
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- Noivern or Talonflame vs Metagross - Metagross defeated (3-1)
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Option A) Somehow Ash is winning 5-3, then Zard beats Goodra and Pikachu.
Option B) Goodra isn't recalled (vs Weavile). Greninja vs Zard is the last match after Pikachu/Talonflame/Noiver tie with - insert Alain's 5th pokemon -

would make sense to have at least 3 pokemon still standing against Alain, so I think maybe the last three standing will be Noivern or Goodra, Pikachu and Ash-Greninja. The way Mega-Charizard is so powerful, it so far has been (dare I say) the Darkrai of this league. I think Ash may need at least 3 pokemon (1 that hasn't be used yet *cough Greninja*) while Pikachu and one of the Dragons deals some good damage against Mega-Zard.
 

ShadowForce720

Well-Known Member
would make sense to have at least 3 pokemon still standing against Alain, so I think maybe the last three standing will be Noivern or Goodra, Pikachu and Ash-Greninja. The way Mega-Charizard is so powerful, it so far has been (dare I say) the Darkrai of this league. I think Ash may need at least 3 pokemon (1 that hasn't be used yet *cough Greninja*) while Pikachu and one of the Dragons deals some good damage against Mega-Zard.

Except it's not the Darkrai of the league, because look at it even though Sceptile beat Darkrai none of Ash's pokemon that were used against it really had that much of an advantage over it. In Mega Charizard X's case however if you look at there previous battle before Greninja mastered it's Ash-Greninja powers it actually manage to get the advantage over Mega Charizard X even though it hadn't mastered it's powers yet, So I really don't think that Ash necessarily needs to use 2 other pokemon besides Ash-Greninja to beat Mega Charizard X.
 

jrizza88

Meteorite
Except it's not the Darkrai of the league, because look at it even though Sceptile beat Darkrai none of Ash's pokemon that were used against it really had that much of an advantage over it. In Mega Charizard X's case however if you look at there previous battle before Greninja mastered it's Ash-Greninja powers it actually manage to get the advantage over Mega Charizard X even though it hadn't mastered it's powers yet, So I really don't think that Ash necessarily needs to use 2 other pokemon besides Ash-Greninja to beat Mega Charizard X.

but Mega Zard has essentially solo'd in all the on screen battles we saw of it. I am not going by the battles outside of the league. The overall win ratio it has over its opponents is akin to Darkrai. Yes, that Darkrai is likely more powerful, but so far Mega-Zard is slaying all of the competition. I am really nervous about the Ash vs Alain battle and hope that Ash has at least 1-2 pokemon battle it before Ash-Greninja comes out. He might even have to use Greninja before it gets to battle Zard anyway.
 

Epicocity

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Except it's not the Darkrai of the league, because look at it even though Sceptile beat Darkrai none of Ash's pokemon that were used against it really had that much of an advantage over it. In Mega Charizard X's case however if you look at there previous battle before Greninja mastered it's Ash-Greninja powers it actually manage to get the advantage over Mega Charizard X even though it hadn't mastered it's powers yet, So I really don't think that Ash necessarily needs to use 2 other pokemon besides Ash-Greninja to beat Mega Charizard X.

I think they mean the fact that no one has, as of yet, taken down Megazard X and Alain has more or less swept with it until Remo, where he played the petulant child card by doing something different, failed, so he called his ace out. Easy to sweep when you use your ace every battle...
 

Joltik-Kid

Simply Fantastic ಠ_ಠ
Except it's not the Darkrai of the league, because look at it even though Sceptile beat Darkrai none of Ash's pokemon that were used against it really had that much of an advantage over it. In Mega Charizard X's case however if you look at there previous battle before Greninja mastered it's Ash-Greninja powers it actually manage to get the advantage over Mega Charizard X even though it hadn't mastered it's powers yet, So I really don't think that Ash necessarily needs to use 2 other pokemon besides Ash-Greninja to beat Mega Charizard X.
This line of logic bugs me to death... Are we suppose to assume Alain was sitting around twiddling his thumbs this whole time while Ash was the only one training?
 

DracoMaster121

Strategy Trainer
Is it too much to hope Alain will use entry hazards/moves or weather? And continually switches out his Pokémon for Charizard to be a finisher?

Considering Tyranitar is already going to set up with sand stream it is quite possible it will also set up stealth rock. Maybe a poison type with toxic spikes like Paul. Don't think he would do both though.
 

sheld999

Well-Known Member
The thing is if ash wins the league it doesn't make him a pokemon master. He can still travel other regions getting new pokemon etc. I see people saying if he wins he has to stay there but thats not the story. other leagues we see the winners they only win the trophy and so forth. and if ash gets asked to be the champion he can always turn it down and continue his journey.

those who say the league being rushed. well its not. most of the league arcs had 4-6 episodes
 
The thing is if ash wins the league it doesn't make him a pokemon master. He can still travel other regions getting new pokemon etc. I see people saying if he wins he has to stay there but thats not the story. other leagues we see the winners they only win the trophy and so forth. and if ash gets asked to be the champion he can always turn it down and continue his journey.

those who say the league being rushed. well its not. most of the league arcs had 4-6 episodes

It's rushed because of the four skipped rounds. Not because of the number of episodes. It's pretty amazing you're not getting this.
 

AuraKshatriya

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Quite frankly I think Hawlucha should KO Weavile and be able to finish off Metagross after another Pokemon (perhaps Talonflame) fails to do so. While Weavile does showcase the speedy physical combat that Hawlucha is capable of, the fact is Hawlucha is also possesses very high physical strength (being able to match a Machamp in its debut). Given that Pikachu is getting Tyranitar logically the best of Alain's other Pokemon to showcase Hawlucha's raw physical strength is Metagross. And due to its typing, 3/4 of Hawlucha's moves will deal neutral damage.
 

nickdt

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Goodra vs Tyranitar - Goodra wins
Goodra vs Weavile - Weavile wins
Hawlucha vs Weavile - Hawlucha wins
Hawlucha vs - Metagross - Metagross wins
Noivern vs Metagross - Noivern wins
Noivern vs Dragalge - Dragalge wins
Pikachu vs Dragalge - Pikachu wins and recalled
Talonflame vs Swanna - Talonflame wins
Talonflame vs Zard X - Talonflame lands a hit then loses
Pikachu vs Zard X - Pikachu lands Iron Tail, then loses
Ash-Greninja vs Zard X - Zard X loses

I throw Swanna and Draglage in, since i can see the aerial battle, with Talonflame have the disadvantage, but still beating it. And since Talonflame, Pikachu and Greninja where his first three Kalos mons (And the strongest Kalos mons he has), its only fair to match them against the Mega.
 

Xuxuba

Well-Known Member
I think the reason why they gave XY Ash's main rival an entire spin-off series was because they wanted us to get more attached to him than the previous rivals, that way it would hurt less when Ash loses the League to him.
I don't think it worked on me, bc i'm not attached to Alain like at all, but i suppose that was their intention, specially considering this is the 20th anniversary of the series and ppl are getting really tired of Ash losing, so they neeeded to numb our pain.
 

Epicocity

Well-Known Member
I think the reason why they gave XY Ash's main rival an entire spin-off series was because they wanted us to get more attached to him than the previous rivals, that way it would hurt less when Ash loses the League to him.
I don't think it worked on me, bc i'm not attached to Alain like at all, but i suppose that was their intention, specially considering this is the 20th anniversary of the series and ppl are getting really tired of Ash losing, so they neeeded to numb our pain.

Or it could be, maybe, like they wanted to build Alain as a character first outside of interactions with Ash, which also gave more time to not waste episodes on their rivalry? Who knows...The whole of XY has been different in that regard.
 

lemoncatpower

Cynical optimist
You are tho only one I guess.

I'm quite happy with it, don't want to waste time on those rounds when already i just want to see the ending of Shota and then skip right to Alain vs Ash.
If I had to wait another few episodes just because people want to see Ash in the beginning rounds, I'd not be as happy.

I think the reason why they gave XY Ash's main rival an entire spin-off series was because they wanted us to get more attached to him than the previous rivals, that way it would hurt less when Ash loses the League to him.
I don't think it worked on me, bc i'm not attached to Alain like at all, but i suppose that was their intention, specially considering this is the 20th anniversary of the series and ppl are getting really tired of Ash losing, so they neeeded to numb our pain.

oooo i really hope not also, if that was them trying to make us love Alain, then they failed baaaaad.

Or it could be, maybe, like they wanted to build Alain as a character first outside of interactions with Ash, which also gave more time to not waste episodes on their rivalry? Who knows...The whole of XY has been different in that regard.

either way, they built him up but they did not make him Loveable at all imo.
 
The thing is if ash wins the league it doesn't make him a pokemon master. He can still travel other regions getting new pokemon etc. I see people saying if he wins he has to stay there but thats not the story. other leagues we see the winners they only win the trophy and so forth. and if ash gets asked to be the champion he can always turn it down and continue his journey.

those who say the league being rushed. well its not. most of the league arcs had 4-6 episodes

Look, I'm not the biggest anime fan, so I may be wrong, but won't Ash, if he wins the Kalos League, get given the opportunity to take on the E4/Diantha as has been alluded to be the case in previous anime sagas?
 

Epicocity

Well-Known Member
Look, I'm not the biggest anime fan, so I may be wrong, but won't Ash, if he wins the Kalos League, get given the opportunity to take on the E4/Diantha as has been alluded to be the case in previous anime sagas?

Possibly, yes. But with Team Flare starting up and likely running close to end of the saga, I doubt he'd have the time to do much. He might, and this is a stretch, be able to battle Diantha because of the Kalos Crisis. That's about it.
 

Joltik-Kid

Simply Fantastic ಠ_ಠ
One side thinking Ash-Greninja can straight up beat Zard X because it came so close to winning when it was incomplete, yet fail to realize Zard X clearly got more powerful over that timespan too. The other side wanting Ash-Greninja to win it's greatest match by having everyone else weaken Zard-X while it's perfectly fine and in good health to finish it off... Dang, have standards been lowered?

I'm quite happy with it, don't want to waste time on those rounds when already i just want to see the ending of Shota and then skip right to Alain vs Ash.
If I had to wait another few episodes just because people want to see Ash in the beginning rounds, I'd not be as happy.
Dman stated it best in the episode views... if you're happy with this outcome thus far, you're clearly not watching this show for Ash then.
 
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