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Aug 11th: XY&Z037 - The Finals! Ash VS Alan!!

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blob

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Alain's biggest sin is not using an Electric Type. Seriously, he could KO 3 of Ash's Pokémon with a Mega Manectric.
 

clbgolden12

Alolan (and soon to be Galarian) trainer
So... Unfezant and Bisharp?

I'm okay with Bisharp, but I feel like they could've chose something else with Unfezant... Eh, whatever, it looks like it'll be a good battle regardless.
 

Amine

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I think Unfezant is fine, Alain already have 2 pseudo-legendaries and one overpowered MCX. He doesn't need more.
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
So people are like: Alain's other Pokemon are weak enough that Ash can defeat them just fine, and that it isn't impossible for Ash to realistically beat Alain.

But then people are calling foul just because Alain isn't filled with pseudo-legendary or HIGH base stat Pokemon?
We see that Ash has beaten two of Alain's Pokémon while losing two of his own, so yeah, it isn't impossible. Heck, the match is going to come down to Ash-Greninja and Mega Charizard X in the next episode.

And let's remember that base stats and all those other numbers aren't important in the series. Bisharp and Unfezant could prove be credible threats to Ash's team, especially as we know that he loses Noivern and Hawlucha while they're still available. Also, Bisharp was recalled after seeing the HD preview. It's Tyranitar and Weavile who've been defeated on Alain's side.
 

Amine

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Alain's biggest sin is not using an Electric Type. Seriously, he could KO 3 of Ash's Pokémon with a Mega Manectric.
You know the anime doesn't work like that. hawlucha kan KO 3 of alain's pokemons: Tyranitar, weavil and Bisharp. they all have x4 weakness to fighting.
 

Epicocity

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No, it's already confirmed that Tyranitar and Pikachu are the first match because if you look at the scoreboard in the preview at time stamp 0:04(the score board is clearly seen in the background when Pikachu launches a Electro Ball at Tyranitar) you will see the only pokemon that have been revealed at the start of the match are Tyranitar and Pikachu. Although I don't doubt that Tyranitar will be the first to fall.
Yeah, but the sponsors message shows that Ash sends Pikachu out and then Alain tosses out Weavile.
 

Navin

MALDREAD
I guess the writers think a male Unfezant looks semi-'evil' looking.

Whatever, I just hope Alain employs some entry hazards/moves or weather or some status booster. I'm happy that it seems both trainers are switching.
 

SlimeStack

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Well at least Unfezant isn't Darkrai and Latios. Better to have something underwhelming than overwhelming I say.
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
Yeah, but the sponsors message shows that Ash sends Pikachu out and then Alain tosses out Weavile.
That's probably just clips mashed together to try and fool us. We see that Pikachu's fighting three guys in the preview, but Weavile isn't one of them. By that I mean Pikachu's only been attacking Charizard, Metagross, and Tyranitar. I don't see him attacking Weavile. At least not yet.
 

ShadowForce720

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Yeah, but the sponsors message shows that Ash sends Pikachu out and then Alain tosses out Weavile.
yeah, and those scenes of Pikachu coming out and then Weavile could easily be spliced together or there after Tyranitar is defeated. Either way no matter how you look at it, it's already confirmed that Tyranitar is the first pokemon to come out so it's not really debatable about whether or not Weavile comes out before Tyranitar, because it's already confirmed that Tyranitar is the first pokemon Alain sends out because we know this because we see the score board when Pikachu is launch an Electro Ball and we can clearly see that at that point Pikachu and Tyranitar are the first two to be fighting and that none of the other pokemon have been sent out before them.
 

PAndrews

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Must say I'm surprised Alain's full team is appearing in this episode, especially since its been shrouded in mystery till now with Charizard solo'ing everything

I am however extremely annoyed at Pikachu being shown fighting almost every member though. The little mouse already got to fight half of Sawyer's team and racked the most wins while Hawlucha got no wins and Goodra and Noivern only a draw, there is absolutely no reason for it to be hogging battles again here when Goodra and Noivern are in desperate need of some league wins. Here's hoping Pikachu gets recalled in every one of those battles for someone else to take over (similar to vs Aggron in the Paul battle), because it getting 2 more wins here would be absolutely terrible. I also don't want either Greninja or Charizard weakened before they fight. If Greninja is finally beating Mega Charizard, then he deserve to beat it at full power and not after some of the others already got a few hits in to weaken it
 

Epicocity

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yeah, and those scenes of Pikachu coming out and then Weavile could easily be spliced together or there after Tyranitar is defeated. Either way no matter how you look at it, it's already confirmed that Tyranitar is the first pokemon to come out so it's not really debatable about whether or not Weavile comes out before Tyranitar, because it's already confirmed that Tyranitar is the first pokemon Alain sends out because we know this because we see the score board when Pikachu is launch an Electro Ball and we can clearly see that at that point Pikachu and Tyranitar are the first two to be fighting and that none of the other pokemon have been sent out before them.
All right, fair. I was wrong...though it still could be a scoreboard error. They've been prone to that a lot this League...

Thanks for pointing out.
 

ShadowForce720

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so maybe the match goes like this:
Pikachu vs Tyranitar: Pikachu is recalled
Noivern vs Tyranitar: Noivern
Noivern vs Bisharp: Bisharp and recalled
Hawlucha vs Weavile: Hawlucha
Hawlucha vs Unfezant: Unfezant
Talonflame vs Unfezant: draw
Field change
Pikachu vs Metagross: Pikachu
Pikachu vs Charizard: Charizard and recalled
Goodra vs Bisharp: Goodra
Goodra vs Charizard: Charizard
Grenina <-->Ash-Greninja vs Charizard<--> Mega Charizard X: Greninja<-->Ash-Greninja

ok the main thing that confusing me right now is the whole Bisharp thing because I'm not sure who it's really fighting, although I'm just guessing that it's going to be recalled instead of being defeated and then after the field change it gets defeated.
 

ljcmarques

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SOOOO, I have already downloaded the RAW episode and the conclusions we can make so far by the preview are:

- Tyranitar and Pikachu is the opening match.
- Tyranitar and Weavile are taken down by the time Alain is using Unfezant
- T-tar battles Pikachu, Weavile battles Hawlucha.
- Noivern and Hawlucha are taken down by the time Ash is using Talonflame
- Bisharp is sent out before T-tar and Weaviles, but gets called back since he's colored at the battle screen by the time both their flying types are battling in the sky.
- Unfezant battles Talonflame.
- Pikachu gets called back.
- Metagross and Charizard both appears in this episode.

Things that got me thinking are: Goodra does not seem to be in this episode, which is kinda weird because Charizard is on. Unless there is a lot of exchanges during the battle like the first full battle between Paul and Ash, seems awkward that he's not showing up. If he is to appear only in the second part of the match, he's probably facing Charizard and thus gets defeated, which is lame after all the mystery around Ash's sixth partner.
 

Haunter ゴースト

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They're not "cool enough".
Sigh.

Isn't idea of a cool pokemon opinionated?

This is the ultimate battle where ash wins the league and those two, especially unfezant seems a little underwhelming compared to the rest of the team.
That's down to opinion really. Some people may really like Bisharp or Unfezant. It's not like Ash's Team is overwhelming, you could argue Pikachu his main Pokemon is underwhelming considering it hasn't evolved.

Tyson won the League with Meowth. Virgil won with Eevee.

Any Pokemon can fight at a league.

Maybe it was pure coincidence, but I thought the writers were going for all-generations team with Alain. So we'd have either gotten a Gen 1 (if Zard X = Gen 6) or Gen 6 (Charizard = Gen 1) as his last Pokemon. Zard X/T-tar/Metagross/Weavile/Bisharp all fit as a high stat 'dark-looking' team, so it would have cool if his last Pokemon was something like a Dragalge or Pangoro or Barbaracle from Gen 6. If they wanted to give him a flier, Volcarona or Mandibuzz would have fit from Gen 5, and then pick any of the above Gen 6s.
I think they did intend this, but they counted Zard X as a Gen 1 and 6. A normal Gen 6 Pokemon would have been nice though.
 

NegaiFreak

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so maybe the match goes like this:
Pikachu vs Tyranitar: Pikachu is recalled
Noivern vs Tyranitar: Noivern
Noivern vs Bisharp: Bisharp and recalled
Hawlucha vs Weavile: Hawlucha
Hawlucha vs Unfezant: Unfezant
Talonflame vs Unfezant: draw
Field change
Pikachu vs Metagross: Pikachu
Pikachu vs Charizard: Charizard and recalled
Goodra vs Bisharp: Goodra
Goodra vs Charizard: Charizard
Grenina <-->Ash-Greninja vs Charizard<--> Mega Charizard X: Greninja<-->Ash-Greninja

ok the main thing that confusing me right now is the whole Bisharp thing because I'm not sure who it's really fighting, although I'm just guessing that it's going to be recalled instead of being defeated and then after the field change it gets defeated.
Bisharp will be recalled. In that explosion in the preview where Talonflame's fighting Unfezant, you can see Bisharp's image next to Unfezant's, still in color.
 

ShadowForce720

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SOOOO, I have already downloaded the RAW episode and the conclusions we can make so far by the preview are:

- Tyranitar and Pikachu is the opening match.
- Tyranitar and Weavile are taken down by the time Alain is using Unfezant
- T-tar battles Pikachu, Weavile battles Hawlucha.
- Noivern and Hawlucha are taken down by the time Ash is using Talonflame
- Bisharp is sent out before T-tar and Weaviles, but gets called back since he's colored at the battle screen by the time both their flying types are battling in the sky.
- Unfezant battles Talonflame.
- Pikachu gets called back.
- Metagross and Charizard both appears in this episode.

Things that got me thinking are: Goodra does not seem to be in this episode, which is kinda weird because Charizard is on. Unless there is a lot of exchanges during the battle like the first full battle between Paul and Ash, seems awkward that he's not showing up. If he is to appear only in the second part of the match, he's probably facing Charizard and thus gets defeated, which is lame after all the mystery around Ash's sixth partner.

It's already confirmed that the first pokemon that Alain sends out is his Tyranitar so I'm not quite sure how you think that Bisharp will get sent out before Tyranitar.
 

Epicocity

Well-Known Member
SOOOO, I have already downloaded the RAW episode and the conclusions we can make so far by the preview are:

- Tyranitar and Pikachu is the opening match.
- Tyranitar and Weavile are taken down by the time Alain is using Unfezant
- T-tar battles Pikachu, Weavile battles Hawlucha.
- Noivern and Hawlucha are taken down by the time Ash is using Talonflame
- Bisharp is sent out before T-tar and Weaviles, but gets called back since he's colored at the battle screen by the time both their flying types are battling in the sky.
- Unfezant battles Talonflame.
- Pikachu gets called back.
- Metagross and Charizard both appears in this episode.

Things that got me thinking are: Goodra does not seem to be in this episode, which is kinda weird because Charizard is on. Unless there is a lot of exchanges during the battle like the first full battle between Paul and Ash, seems awkward that he's not showing up. If he is to appear only in the second part of the match, he's probably facing Charizard and thus gets defeated, which is lame after all the mystery around Ash's sixth partner.
Well, despite everyone thinking he will be, Goodra won't be in this episode at all, so there'll definitely be recalling shenanigans there. Yuji Ueda isn't listed on the cast list at all, so no Goodra or Greninja period.
 
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