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Aug 11th: XY&Z037 - The Finals! Ash VS Alan!!

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ChampioN-Trainer-BriaN

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Both ash & alain are gonna lose 2 pokes before unfezant vs taloneflame according to those sillehoutte. Pikachu seems to be defeating metagross & tyranitar as it is seen facing charizard & weawile afterwards.
 

Illusio

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Geez, poor Unfezant, it's not even my favorite bird and you're making it fill bad for it.

As for the match, I'm starting to get worried, we're seeing all five of Alain's mons in this episode, Pikachu's facing four of his Pokemon, and Goodra's being saved off to the last episode (hopefullynot as a fall guy for X glorification), it seems a bit too fast paced. Also, I swear, if Noivern leaves this league with just a tie I'm going to flip.
 
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Small problem, the writers have literally called this his ultimate team, meaning this should be one of if not the strongest team he can assemble with what he has.

And before you label the Oaked guys as stronger, don't forget that this is a team in which all members have been shown capable of battling either legendaries, E4 or even champ level opponents.
- Hawlucha sent a Zapdos flying and has beaten a Mega one on one
- Noivern battled Zapdos on equal ground and Talonflame tanked multiple thunderbolts before finally going down
- Greninja, without transforming, was shown capable of battling Mega Charizard during their rematch and fought the champ on equal ground before both transformed.

So nostalgia and fanboyism aside, this team is shown and stated to consist of nothing but top rankers among all of Ash's pokemon
Yeah no, 2/3 of the Kalos team can't hold a candle to Charizard, Pikachu, Sceptile, Snorlax, Infernape and Greninja. Ultimate team doesn't mean ultimate pokemon.
 

Amine

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Small problem, the writers have literally called this his ultimate team, meaning this should be one of if not the strongest team he can assemble with what he has.

And before you label the Oaked guys as stronger, don't forget that this is a team in which all members have been shown capable of battling either legendaries, E4 or even champ level opponents.
- Hawlucha sent a Zapdos flying and has beaten a Mega one on one
- Noivern battled Zapdos on equal ground and Talonflame tanked multiple thunderbolts before finally going down
- Greninja, without transforming, was shown capable of battling Mega Charizard during their rematch and fought the champ on equal ground before both transformed.

So nostalgia and fanboyism aside, this team is shown and stated to consist of nothing but top rankers among all of Ash's pokemon
It's not fanboyism it's the truth. First, greninja is in my ultimate team, your third point doesn' say anything. for the two first points you're stating two unofficial battles, that weren't even battles.

Now talonflame and Charizard have the same types. Is talonflame better than charizard. heck if you want a better bird, swellow is way better and had better battle records.

Is Hawlucha Better than Infernape ? Hawlucha couldn't evene defeat slaking even with its weakness.

Sorry but an ultimate team should be composed of pokemons that have good battle records or that are shown to be quite strong. Pikachu is the only that has defeated two legendaries: Regice and Latios. Charizard was Ash's ace in Kanto and Johto and he was the first one to defeat a legendary. Sceptile was Ash's ace in Battle frontier and he defeated Darkrai. Infernape was Ash's ace in sinnoh and now Greninja is his Ace, and with the transformation his most powerful pokemon. For Snorlax, it's a powerhouse. Some honorable mention to Swellow which is the best bird Ash ever had.
 

Amine

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Yeah no, 2/3 of the Kalos team can't hold a candle to Charizard, Pikachu, Sceptile, Snorlax, Infernape and Greninja. Ultimate team doesn't mean ultimate pokemon.
Yeah I can't understand how much Kalos team is overrated where Greninja and pikachu are the only two that have good records. And it's not a problem, it's good to have an ace.

But that also what makes people mad when Ash doesn't use his reserves, because he has so many good pokemons that he could simply sweep the league with them. If Kalos team can beat Alain or even lose 6-5, this 6 pokemons would just sweep.
 

Epicocity

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Yeah I can't understand how much Kalos team is overrated where Greninja and pikachu are the only two that have good records. And it's not a problem, it's good to have an ace.

But that also what makes people mad when Ash doesn't use his reserves, because he has so many good pokemons that he could simply sweep the league with them. If Kalos team can beat Alain or even lose 6-5, this 6 pokemons would just sweep.
You guys say this like if he brought his "dream team" to the final match that most of them wouldn't just add another win and another loss to their record. Do you guys really think they wouldn't make it a nailbiter by having those aces go down?

That isn't to say his "ultimate team" is his...well, "ultimate team". But regionally, I can see it.
 

Everlasting

Everything stays.
YES! LORD UNFEZANT IS BACK!

I am very excited to see Unfezant in Alan's team. It's such an underappreciated Pokémon. I hope it does the finest of work against Ash's team instead of common powerhouses like Tyranitar and Bisharp...

The battle looks awesome. I am hoping there is going to be a lot more switches than in Shota's battle (and it seems there will be according to how many Pokémon we see Alan using in part one alone). I'm stoked for this!
 

Rampardo

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You people dont get much right. Here

Pika vs Tyranitar, Pika is recalled
Noivern vs Tyranitar, Noivern wins
Noivern vs Bisharp, Bisharp wins and is recalled which leads to Pikachu vs Weavile like the preview showed
 

Xenon Blue

No Hard Feelings
This whole "Ultimate Team" is just there to hype things up. No need to take it seriously, we all know it's not Ash's best 6.
 

K.N.

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I'm fine with Pikachu getting a lot of spotlight in Ash's first ever league final. Seems appropriate to me.

I do get it might annoy fans of the Kalos team since it's not "fair" to them...but I take issue with calling it "bad" writing when it actually makes sense that Ash's longest partner also happens to be one of his most important in one of the most important battles of his life. That and Pikachu has way more battle experience than almost everyone else on the team (somewhat arguable when compared to Hawlucha given his backstory- who knows how long he ran around fighting others in that forest).

In particular I don't really have a problem with Noivern getting no wins before bowing out (even though I'm betting he'll get one here). The rest of Kalos team you could maybe think of reasons for why they're some of Ash's stronger Pokemon, but Noibat was a newborn who had literally 0 battles before he had an evolution handed to him, after which he's had an unimpressive battle record. Getting to tie with a Salamence is already a pretty good showing IMO.
 
Animation in the preview doesn't seem to be as on-point as usual. I'm assuming that they're saving the budget for Charizard vs Greninja.
 

potat_lasaro

I'm kind of alive
This whole "Ultimate Team" is just there to hype things up. No need to take it seriously, we all know it's not Ash's best 6.
I view it as his strongest team in the sense that they work well together and each member battlea in a certain style that it covers their shared weaknesses. Could a team of Pikachu, Charizard, Snorlax, Sceptile, Infernape and Greninja beat them? Yes.

But in relation to that hypothetical team, there is no chemistry between those teammates except that they have all traveled alongside Pikachu. Like in real life sports, chemistry is important for teams to play well together and that is why they're his "ultimate (regional) team" since they all strive to push each other further along and to pick each other up. These six act like a family and they all continue on even if they don't have a shot at all.
 

blob

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I kind of hope Talonflame's the fall guy here, since he's had a lot of wins and it's time for Noivern, Goodra and Hawlucha to get more of the spotlight.

I only want Pikachu to win against 1 Pokémon, get KO'd in part 2 of the fight and Greninja and Goodra have to fight off Alain's last Pokémon.
 

Amine

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You guys say this like if he brought his "dream team" to the final match that most of them wouldn't just add another win and another loss to their record. Do you guys really think they wouldn't make it a nailbiter by having those aces go down?

That isn't to say his "ultimate team" is his...well, "ultimate team". But regionally, I can see it.
Well by that logic, in every region, the team he has is his ultimate team.
 

Soniman

Break the Limit
Anyone seen kinda shocked that Alan would send out Lizardon this early? I mean I guess that increases Ash's chances a little in the climax of Greninja is comming into the battle fresh and ready to go and Lizardon has some Pika damage on him
 

STICKTOPIA

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Wow pikachu turned into a beast!!! That looked like a strong quick attack on Charizard and it also goes up against metagross and tyranitar. Wow this battle is gonna be epic! I can't tell who's gonna win anymore...
 

Rohanator

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Anyone seen kinda shocked that Alan would send out Lizardon this early? I mean I guess that increases Ash's chances a little in the climax of Greninja is comming into the battle fresh and ready to go and Lizardon has some Pika damage on him
Well, it's not that early considering that if he uses it after Metagross like most people assume he'll only have one other Mon alive at this point (Bisharp). He probably gets tired of Pikachu escaping the KO so many times and decides Zard is needed.
 

Epicocity

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Well by that logic, in every region, the team he has is his ultimate team.
I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that I could see this team with its tight-knit bond of family and, as potat said, covering each other's weaknesses, as his ultimate regional team.

It's just the fact that people act like if Ash brought in his strongest that he'd sweep through everything...except, where's the tension in that for such a big match? They'd have to either: 1) Do what they did and not bring in reserves to preserve the tension or 2) Pretty much gimp his strongest Pokemon to pull out a win and then fall to the next to give a different sense of tension.
 
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