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Aug 11th: XY&Z037 - The Finals! Ash VS Alan!!

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Ash&Pikachu-Fan

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Woooaaaahh, I'm surprised to see Pikachu battling both Tyranitar and Metagross, then Charizard! :0 I thought Pikachu will defeat Tyranitar but I wouldn't mind it if he defeats Metagross too.... I think he's doing the most out of Ash's team which is nice because it shows Pikachu is Ash's strongest Pokemon.
 

Mootjuh

Member
I'm disappointed with Alain's team. Not because it's a weak or bad team, but because Ash has already battled three of those Pokemon in earlier important matches (Weavile, Metagross, Unfezant). And if we count the pre-evolutions for those three, then he fought multiple times against these Pokemon. I was hoping for something fresh.

Also, a question to everyone who think that Ash will win the league - what about the status quo? Ash wants to become a Pokemon master, if he wins then what reason will he have for travelling to the next region?

Personally, I hope that Ash will lose, even if it's by an inch.
Winning the league does not mean becoming a Pokemon Master. Heck, I don't think we've ever met anyone who could be considered a Pokemon Master(except maybe Professor Oak?). There are different ways to become one and probably different kinds too. I think becoming a Pokemon Master is a matter of experience. Whether you win the league or not. Ash's goal is to gather different kinds of experiences mainly focused on battling. Becoming League Champion is just one of the potential experiences he can have.
 

Jacob2145

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You don't want the protagonist to win? That seems odd...

Anyway, it'd be impossible for Ash to outright fight against something unknown. Even if he hasn't battled them, he still has met them. And he has fought a Bisharp: Hidayu's in the Ninja Village. Then you'd have to count the fact that he's faced Megazard X multiple times now. The only way to really bring something new in would be Alola Pokemon, and with TF on the horizon, it's too early for that. Besides, we knew Metagross would be there back in XYZ 23 where we knew Alain had a Metang.
Sorry then, I must've missed that episode with Bisharp. And yes, obviously he fought Mega Charizard before, but I was talking more about the regular zard, it seems that in the upcoming battle he won't mega evolve immediately. But then again... I might've missed some Kalos episodes regarding this fact too :/

You rooted for Paul back then?! Even if he was-?! You know what, that's fine. You have your opinions, and we have ours.

We're looking at the match from a story perspective, based on what has happened and what will happen.

Points to look at are Alain being a less enthusiastic, unsporting, misguided person who has yet to discover the truth behind Lysandre's intentions.

There's also Lysandre wanting to speak with Ash about Greninja's Bond Phenomenon. If he lost to Charizard, what reason would there be for Lysandre to want to kidnap him in order to gain that power? And if he lost to Alain, wouldn't that make him seem like less of a threat to Team Flare so that he doesn't need to be taken hostage?

Well, we'll have to wait and see what happens, but the storyline does provide some interesting details.
Yes, I did. I rooted for Paul in every battle he had, except the part when he stopped giving Chimchar commands in that one tournament (I thought it was really weird and ridiculous). The thing is, I like jerk trainers in the Pokemon anime. They don't talk about this "love your Pokemon" rubbish and have amazing strategies.

Um... even if Greninja lost, he would still have the bonding powers, no? Lysandre might be interested in the power itself and not in Greninja's win to loss ratio.
 

Epicocity

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Yes, I did. I rooted for Paul in every battle he had, except the part when he stopped giving Chimchar commands in that one tournament (I thought it was really weird and ridiculous). The thing is, I like jerk trainers in the Pokemon anime. They don't talk about this "love your Pokemon" rubbish and have amazing strategies.

Um... even if Greninja lost, he would still have the bonding powers, no? Lysandre might be interested in the power itself and not in Greninja's win to loss ratio.
Erm...that kinda makes me think you're missing the point of the show, but whatever.

Nah, Lysandre wouldn't be interested because he only wants those that are strong, which is why he told Alain he was out if he even lost once.
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
Yes, I did. I rooted for Paul in every battle he had, except the part when he stopped giving Chimchar commands in that one tournament (I thought it was really weird and ridiculous). The thing is, I like jerk trainers in the Pokemon anime. They don't talk about this "love your Pokemon" rubbish and have amazing strategies.

Um... even if Greninja lost, he would still have the bonding powers, no? Lysandre might be interested in the power itself and not in Greninja's win to loss ratio.
Yes, he would have those powers, but Epicocity is right. Lysandre isn't interested in those who lose so easily. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he just dropped Alain after Ash wins, assuming that's what will happen...
 

Jacob2145

Active Member
Erm...that kinda makes me think you're missing the point of the show, but whatever.

Nah, Lysandre wouldn't be interested because he only wants those that are strong, which is why he told Alain he was out if he even lost once.
Believe me, I'm not missing the point. In the show all is about love, happy go lucky, smiling, dancing and best friends. But that's not the reason why I follow it. I watch important battles, such as gym battles, rival battles and of course league battles. Whenever there's a character like Paul, Trip or Alain, I try to follow the episodes they appear in. The writers want to show that being a jerk to Pokemon is bad, but IMO it's not all black and white. Paul was an amazing trainer and his Pokemon knew that. If he was a jerk to his Pokemon they wouldn't even listen to him.
 

Janovy

Banned
Yes, he would have those powers, but Epicocity is right. Lysandre isn't interested in those who lose so easily. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he just dropped Alain after Ash wins, assuming that's what will happen...
Losing 6-5 isn't losing easily :p

In any case, Lysandre dropping Alain would be downright foolish when he can still use him.
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
Losing 6-5 isn't losing easily :p

In any case, Lysandre dropping Alain would be downright foolish when he can still use him.
Yeah, my bad. It's just that Alain will eventually be going against Lysandre in the upcoming arc, so he's definitely going to the other side of the fight.
 

Pokememes

I am the pokémaster!
A lot of people have been mentioning pikachu also battling weavile ? Was there actually a scan for that or just speculation ?
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
A lot of people have been mentioning pikachu also battling weavile ? Was there actually a scan for that or just speculation ?
Mostly speculation since it's at the end of the 40 second preview. Half of us are saying that it's two clips spliced together to try and confuse us, and I'm one of them. I think Pikachu's fighting just Tyranitar, Metagross, and Charizard in this episode.
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
I think Hawlucha's getting hit by a move from Weavile. I think that it's icy wind.
I believe Hawlucha's blocking a Night Slash from Weavile, and the steam that seems to be emanating from him could potentially be a new move. Bulk Up maybe?
 

Pokememes

I am the pokémaster!
Mostly speculation since it's at the end of the 40 second preview. Half of us are saying that it's two clips spliced together to try and confuse us, and I'm one of them. I think Pikachu's fighting just Tyranitar, Metagross, and Charizard in this episode.
Ah ok thank you!
Yeah I think it's just gonna take out tyranitar and metagross too +lose to Charizard pretty easy haha 4/6 seems like a stretch even for pika but hey we'll see tomorrow
 

ShadowForce720

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I believe Hawlucha's blocking a Night Slash from Weavile, and the steam that seems to be emanating from him could potentially be a new move. Bulk Up maybe?
If it is a new move I'm thinking it's either Bulk Up or Quick Guard that were seeing it use although I think between the 2 Bulk up would make most sense since it would raise both it's defense and attack. Also the more I'm look at Hawlucha's red glow the more it looks like Hawlucha is actually using a new move rather then it just being the result of Weavile hitting it with Night Slash, but I guess will have our answer tomorrow.
 

andrewscott48209

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I believe Hawlucha's blocking a Night Slash from Weavile, and the steam that seems to be emanating from him could potentially be a new move. Bulk Up maybe?
I did not see that sword from might slash. Thanks for pointing that out. But if Hawlucha learns a new move, which move will be forgotten?
 

ShadowForce720

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I did not see that sword from might slash. Thanks for pointing that out. But if Hawlucha learns a new move, which move will be forgotten?
Maybe Karate Chop. I mean I'm pretty sure it will keep X-Scissor and Flying Press, so the only 2 moves it could replace is either Karate Chop or Hi Jump Kick although I'm thinking that it would be Karate Chop that gets replaced. Also maybe if Hawlucha has learned a new move, maybe by some chance Talonflame, Noivern, or Goodra have picked up a new move.
 

NegaiFreak

Plus Ultra!
I did not see that sword from might slash. Thanks for pointing that out. But if Hawlucha learns a new move, which move will be forgotten?
Karate Chop, hopefully. He could use some diversity in his moveset and have something to keep him battle ready for later.
 

Jacob2145

Active Member
Ah ok thank you!
Yeah I think it's just gonna take out tyranitar and metagross too +lose to Charizard pretty easy haha 4/6 seems like a stretch even for pika but hey we'll see tomorrow
Why do you think Pikachu will win against those two? Just because he's battling them doesn't mean he'll win. I'm almost sure there will be a lot of switches during this battle (unlike the Sawyer match).
 
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