andrewscott48209
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Not the argument I was making there. Yes, Greninja has gotten stronger, no doubt... but that same semi-perfected form couldn't even beat Wulfric's Avalugg. Say what you will that Ash was trying too hard to win... same happened vs Alain, only difference was Ash ddin't feel Greninja's pain vs Avalugg where he did vs Zard X. And we have seen Zard improve, it went from being unable to take on The Legends of Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, to being able to match 50% Zygarde. Not to mention he went from unable to stand up to Siebold's Mega Blastoise, to taking hits from Steven's Metagross, to beating Malvia's Mega Houndoom.
We saw Diathia get caught off guard by it's power... bet you had she known about it, the tables would have been different. Unless you think she's a fairly weak champion
Agreed, so are you : )
That's because Ash never fought any of those Champions himself anyway... in fact Steven never showed off Metagross till ME Special II. You seem to be undermining Charizard's, Sceptile's, and Infernape's power anyway. Zard and Sceptile are known Legend beaters (along with Pikachu)... Greninja has a long way to go to match them.
Actually, Ash did feel Greninja pain in his battle against Wulfric's Avalugg.