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Aug 4th: XY&Z036 - Fierce Fighting at the Kalos League! Gather, All of My Passion!!

Discussion in 'Animé Spoilers' started by Dephender, Jul 8, 2016.

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  1. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    Okay and those were the early rounds. Now he is saying that we basically dont need to see any of ash battling at all, and that they can even cut short ash vs alain just to have "character development", which shows rushed writing since they didnt do development early on. This is the league, we want to see ****ing battles, lol.
  2. InfernoApe

    InfernoApe Banned

    The writer's don't feel that battles are important. They're all about character development. We'll just have to deal with it.

    They probably know what's best anyway.
  3. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    As a writer myself (not an official writer, but someone who enjoys writing and in certain moments the passion to write), I am super pissed at how their handling the league. Check yourself.

    You have an opinion, and that is all you have on this subject. Especially if I'm not mistaken, and I apologize if I am, you're suggesting they skip Ash vs Alain

    As a (non official) writer, I know you don't treat your main character like crap after 19 years and be like: Yeah sure let's give Ash only ONE battle in a very important league.

    You show Ash's struggles, you don't fill the league with meaningless nobodies to justify, oh look Ash is in the semi finals.

    People FORGET, a Pokemon league is extremely important to Ash, it's one of the most important things Ash has, under his Pokemon, Friends, and other technically more important things, but it's part of who he is and wants to be.

    I know the real Ash would be super pissed that most of his battles were skipped, and you can't honestly say I'm wrong, because if you were Ash you'd be pissed if most of your battles were skipped, because I know I would because it treats something that I find important and lessens it. Maybe Ash isn't THAT deep (as other people would claim) but I know he would be hurt by this.

    "I'm the main character but you devoted an episode to Sawyer battling against Tierno, and looking at the episodes, it's just Sawyer or Alain, and I'm just shoved in there, this is how you treat me and my desire to become a Pokemon master"

    But Ash isn't worried about other people's concept of "Random Nobodies" he doesn't treat his opponents like "Nobodies" which is why I don't think Ash would ever approve of the way the writers are handling this league. But then again, Ash is a fictional character, and is a "written character" so obviously he's subject to change. But outside of bias, I know Ash would be extremely displeased about this league.

    Explain when I tried judging episodes before they aired, in a positive way, I got screwed over? So no, I don't care, I'm going to be a jerk about this. And ask "WHY THE HELL did the make time for this, and continue to screw Ash over."

    Well at least Ash will maybe have two battles.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2016
  4. Pteranodonte

    Pteranodonte Well-Known Member

    No, this is just lazy writing. This League is rushed just because they need to end it quickly so they can start to promote the 7th gen. It's not about "character development".
  5. InfernoApe

    InfernoApe Banned

    You're missing the most important rule of TV and movies.

    Tell, don't show!

    If it's stated Ash wins what would it add to his character if they show the battle then?
  6. NegaiFreak

    NegaiFreak WATER SHURIKEN!

    Hard to really argue with you since... well, you're right. Seeing Mega Absol get beat after the first twenty seconds wasn't exactly inviting for any of us.

    But just one question, WHAT about this episode makes it a filler? Sure, Chespin getting lost kinda got me scared at first, but at least the title doesn't allude fully to that. People have made the point that this could be a quick thing leading to some much needed plot development.

    And Tomioka wrote the Sawsbuck episode, fine. But WHAT else has he written that's actually good? You can't just write this off because of just one little part to the episode. There's potential with Mairin, Team Flare, Alain, and your favorite in Ash for development.

    If Mairin does show up here, I expect her to have somewhat of an awkward reunion with Alain, with him being a jerk as usual and not wanting her around. But hey, what do you care? To you, this is nothing more than a ******* FILLER!

    *breathes* Quit judging so soon. We've got four weeks before we see this.
  7. InfernoApe

    InfernoApe Banned

    Listen to this guy! He's right.

    We've had enough battles. Now is the time for plot development. We need to know what goes on inside the characters heads. Chespin is in desperate need for some character development.
  8. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    You're forgetting that if all they do is "Tell us" that it completely undermines the entire concept of having a television show or a movie to begin with.

    "Tell not show" may be a great concept for novels or written text.

    A VISUAL medium, MUST employ a "SHOW don't tell" concept. BECAUSE THAT"S THE POINT of a visual medium, is to SHOW us. When it comes to a visual medium, just telling us things defeats the purpose. Sometimes "Tell, don't show" may be employed to trick the audiences into believing one way but then it turns out to be wrong later, but that doesn't apply here, because the point isn't to trick us into believing something only to be wrong later. Therefore there's no justification for them to NOT show us HOW Ash won the league in a visual medium.
  9. Akashin

    Akashin Well-Known Member

    They're being deliberately contrary, for whatever reason. You're probably better off assuming they feel the exact opposite.
  10. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

    Hopefully Tomioka will make fun of the fact the last lost episode was horrible.

    I had a good laugh.
  11. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    Chespin is in need for character development? Is that a joke? He had his chance back in the start of the series when his episode was about getting fat and eating.

    How the **** is the time for character development? They should have thought about that early on, THIS IS THE LEAGUE. The entire reason Ash came to kalos at all. So right at the end when its coming to the climax of the league...that's when battling has been enough?
  12. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    AHHHHH 20 days. Is it because Naruto is taking over on the 28th, really Naruto you couldn't wait until after the Pokemon league to make up an episode? If it's NOT Naruto. God have mercy on our soul.

    Um...let me repeat myself:

    Explain when I tried judging episodes before they aired, in a positive way, I got screwed over? So no, I don't care, I'm going to be a jerk about this. And ask "WHY THE HELL did the make time for this, and continue to screw Ash over."

    Uh, no, they're doing it because they're lazy. I mean I would like to be a little fair to them after all Sun and Moon is coming out soon.


    1. We had needless fillers
    2. We're likely going to have needless fillers after the league (after Team Flare).
    3. We have ~5 episodes unaccounted for up to the likely release of the sun and moon anime, one will likely be filler.
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2016
  13. yuoke

    yuoke Treasure huntin'

    But dont you get it? The great character of Chespin needs his deep character development. **** ash and alain and the league, this is chespin's time to shine, baby!
  14. Class Zero

    Class Zero We have arrived.

    See, I want to say that you're being sarcastic..?
  15. Squirtle_007

    Squirtle_007 DP Season SUCKS!

    People are having really high expectations about this episode just because it's XY believing this will trigger Team Flare's climax ... Pfft!

    XY has been so far "Ash and his fanboys", his cheerleaders companions are background fodder that only pops up to worship his god and then goes back to the shadows while Ash hogs the spotlight, the sole idea that a Pokémon not belonging to the main character will get some kind of relevance in Team Flare's arc in a saga where companions have reached a new bottom is utterly ridiculous.

    The summary says he will finds "a special somebody" ... remember the summary from "Axew gets lost"?, it said something about "a special place" and it ended in nothing
  16. Master_Tyrell

    Master_Tyrell Well-Known Member

    Hmm, a bit disappointed with the "getting lost" plot, it definitely has been used many times. Hopefully that person has importance in the coming episodes. My guess would be Mairin, for obvious reasons, or, possibly, Clemont's father. If it is either of them, then it would be a nice start to setting up the Flare finale. I'm actually hoping more for Clemont's father and the possibility that he is there because of Sycamore calling him about strange things happening behind doors. But, we never know until the episode is out so I'll wait.
  17. InfernoApe

    InfernoApe Banned

    I knew you'd get it. Just trust the god writers.
  18. NegaiFreak

    NegaiFreak WATER SHURIKEN!

    Okay. One, you don't know if this episode screws Ash over. Two, it's a while before we actually see the episode, along with potential scans around its plotline. Three, if it builds up the Ash V. Alain battle even further, I think you would be more than for it. And four, SHUT UP.

    I'm not going to defend InfernoApe because he's wrong himself. No one needs character development at this point in the series. What I'd love to see is plot development, which is exactly what I am hoping for here. But hey, too quick to judge, right? *cracks knuckles*
  19. InfernoApe

    InfernoApe Banned

    You can't just qualify other people's opinions as wrong. They're opinions. Character development is just as important as plot development. No plot without characters.
  20. andrewscott48209

    andrewscott48209 Well-Known Member

    I do know that either:

    1) The title is misleading,
    2) The summary is misleading,
    3) The summary is a side plot to the main plot,
    4) This episode is a build up to:
    a) the Team Flare arc, or
    b) the finals.
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