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Authors' Cafe Rules & Regulations (Updates - Please Read)

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Dias

Fenrir
Welcome to the Authors’ Café. As you can see, there are some changes occurring here, primarily in the stuck threads. There were some redundancies and some unnecessary ones which will be removed or incorporated into another sticky. Please review the rules, which have been updated from the last ‘Guidelines’ thread. You will also see that the Ratings system has been officiated below.



Authors’ Café

Rules and Regulations


1.) Adhere to the general forum rules, which can be found here.

2.) Respect the creativity of others. If you do not think someone’s story idea or preview is good, you are entitled to your opinion, but be considerate and respectful.

3.) Before posting a thread, make sure that there is not an exisiting thread for your post.

4.) If you would like to have something approved, you must get the consent of two of the two current fanfiction moderators (Zephyr Flare and Dragonfree).

5.) Do not post any threads for people to submit characters for your story; your story is a work of your own design.

6.) When posting a preview, you should include a good bit of information, and the story in question should generally be underway. That is, a preview shouldn’t be the announcement of an idea, it should be a look into a coming fiction and generally it is a good idea to include an excerpt or scene.

7.) Do not post threads explicitly advertising your fic Unlike a preview, a thread like this would say something like “Hey check out my fic <link>.”

8.) Do not use this thread for posting story ideas or requesting help. This thread will be for questions about the rules. Remember, though things may be open for debate, the moderators have the final say.


Rating Your Fanfiction:

A question which is often disputed is “what rating should I give to my fanfic?” The old Ratings sticky had different examples of how to rate your fic, but this will be the universal scale for the forums:

G

A G rating can be applied to a fic that is generally suitable for all ages. Graphic scenes of sex and violence, nudity, drugs, and persistent profanity will not be found in a G rated story. The most you will really see here is an occasional use of ‘Hell’ or possibly ‘Damn’ If the usage is more than rare, you may want to look at a PG rating.

PG

PG signifies that some aspects may not be suitable for younger audiences. Sexuality and profanity may be apparent, but in moderation, and nudity/graphic violent and sexual scenes are usually absent.

PG-13

Fics rated PG-13 are likely to contain frequent or semi-frequent profanity and scenes of violence and sexuality that are probably inappropriate for audiences younger than thirteen. Nudity is usually brief and not fully detailed on, and graphic sex scenes are still usually absent. Profanity will be your regulars - the stuff you hear on primetime television (at least in America) for example, and uses of harsher/perverse words will appear only occasionally.

R

R-rated fics will include graphic scenes of violence, sexuality, frequent use of profanity, themes intended for adults, nudity, drug use, et cetera. While PG-13 would have moderate-frequent use of profanity, R generally has more and harsher language. R ratings may not apply to language, as a fic can be devoid of profanity and still achieve an R rating. Detailed nudity and descriptive sex and violence may also be present. Noted that this is the highest allowed rating on the forums and must be approved by a Moderator on fanfictions to be posted.

NC-17

NC-17 is basically anything you would see in R, but kicked up a notch. This is a rating for stories with the harshest language, most brutal violence, descriptive nudity, profane themes, and graphic sex. Noted that any fanfiction rated this is NOT allowed on the the forums.

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There you have the rules and official ratings scale. Rules are subject to be added on to and ammended. You may post questions or concerns you may have here.
 
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Ledian_X

Don Ledianni
Great rules, Dias and co. It's nice to see an update from Mike's old ones now and then. But, I got a question if you guys have an answer.

If someone has a non-Pokemon fic and wants to talk about ideas for it before it goes into Non Pokemon fic, would it be all right if the person were to post said idea for the fic in the cafe? Reason I asked is I'm wondering if the rules'll apply to all fics.

Like if I were to do a second part of my story, I'll post about it.

That's the only question I have right now. I might have another one, later.

LX

Edit: Just remembered my other question. If you have a Fanfic universe with several people, is it okay to have a thread here on the recent happenings of the universe of fics? I know Dragonfree approved of mine. I'm just wondering if it's still okay.
 
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Dias

Fenrir
Ledian_X said:
If someone has a non-Pokemon fic and wants to talk about ideas for it before it goes into Non Pokemon fic, would it be all right if the person were to post said idea for the fic in the cafe?

Of course. Non-Pokemon fics are as welcome as Pokemon fics and deserve the same attention and respect.


Ledian_X said:
Just remembered my other question. If you have a Fanfic universe with several people, is it okay to have a thread here on the recent happenings of the universe of fics?

Personally, I don't see why not.
 

Saffire Persian

Now you see me...
Just a question about merging the "Get the word out thread" and "Recommendations". Why did you merge?

In my opinion, I think it might not have been the best idea to combine the two, because you'll have to sift through millions of replies that just state that he or she has a new chapter out, just to get to the recommendations. In my opinion, I don't think the two will mix very well. 0_o
 

PDL

disenchanted
Saffire Persian said:
In my opinion, I think it might not have been the best idea to combine the two, because you'll have to sift through millions of replies that just state that he or she has a new chapter out, just to get to the recommendations. In my opinion, I don't think the two will mix very well. 0_o

personally, I think posting solely that you have a new chapter up is kinda silly and shouldn't be allowed... maybe editting the post to say you did? anyway, it's easier to just PM people or just update without announcing to the world you did...
 

Ryano Ra

Verdant Vitality
Saffire Persian said:
Just a question about merging the "Get the word out thread" and "Recommendations". Why did you merge?

In my opinion, I think it might not have been the best idea to combine the two, because you'll have to sift through millions of replies that just state that he or she has a new chapter out, just to get to the recommendations. In my opinion, I don't think the two will mix very well. 0_o
True, however, the person can not only announce new fanfictions, but post recommendations in the same post. The two can mix very well if it done correctly and accurately, despite the fact that I see your point very well happening. Though, it won't take up as much posts and space as it did, and obviously, the merge has some kind of a reason. *shrugs*
 

Act

Let's Go Rangers!
True, however, the person can not only announce new fanfictions, but post recommendations in the same post. The two can mix very well if it done correctly

But we all know it's going to be mostly spammy little posts. Many things are great in theory, but just will make a mess when put into action. I agree, I think it was a strange decision. I would have combined the Get the Word Out and Author's Profiles, if anything had to be merged. Then we could halve the pointless spammy posts. Or at least put them all in one place.
 

Ryano Ra

Verdant Vitality
Act said:
But we all know it's going to be mostly spammy little posts. Many things are great in theory, but just will make a mess when put into action. I agree, I think it was a strange decision. I would have combined the Get the Word Out and Author's Profiles, if anything had to be merged. Then we could halve the pointless spammy posts. Or at least put them all in one place.
Yeah, I can see that happening as well; wasting posts by announcing every insignificant update, followed by a new recommendation. Actually, I like the idea about combining the Author's Profiles with the Recommendation thread; fits perfectly, for after they update their profiles, in the same post, they can put down a certain amount of recommendations that they recommend people to read. And, the Get the Word Out and Author's Profiles would have been good, for I think I really need to seriously make that a new thread with new additions. o.o;;
 

Saffire Persian

Now you see me...
Author's Profiles with the Recommendation thread; fits perfectly, for after they update their profiles, in the same post, they can put down a certain amount of recommendations that they recommend people to read.

That sounds very much more reasonable indeed. I like it ^_^
 

Dias

Fenrir
The point of consolidating the two threads was based mainly on that the recommendations thread was for plugging others, where the Get the Word Out thread was plugging yourself. It just seemed easier to roll them into one, so you can more or less 'recommend' yourself while you recommend other authors/fics, instead of putting "Read this story by so and so" and then going to another thread going "Read this by me."

PDL said:
personally, I think posting solely that you have a new chapter up is kinda silly and shouldn't be allowed... maybe editting the post to say you did?

That was my idea originally, but realized upon reading this that I didn't detail that in the thread itself. It will be added.


As for spam, it's going to happen regardless, but should be well under control. The updating of the stickies was sort of the first step into a 'cleaning up and keeping clean' movement. The Cafe has been unkempt and cluttered for a while, and I'm making it my personal business to give it an efficient and frequent comb-through. I'll be going through the stickies daily, as much as I can spare, eradicating spam and the like.

Of course my job will be made a lot easier if people don't spam in the first place, but hey, what can you do.

As for the consolidation, call it an experiment. If it doesnt work out well, then they can be separated again easily enough.
 

Ledian_X

Don Ledianni
Dias said:
Of course my job will be made a lot easier if people don't spam in the first place, but hey, what can you do.

Let me do another Valentine's Day Massacre? :-D Nah, you and I both know Joe wouldn't go for that again....or would he? >>

Anyway, I thought the merging was pretty reasonable. I mean you have a thread for pimping out the fics and THEN you have Reccomendations. Merging them makes sense and saves all kinds of travel time. So, I heartily endorse this event or product. Rules make a lot of sense, guys. I'd listen to him! Only because he's got a gun to our heads...JK!



Or am I?

LX
 

Dragonfree

Just me
I don't like the idea of merging Recommendations and The Happy Fun Get the Word Out Thread, either, to be honest (and frankly, being a mod here of exactly equal status to Dias, I'm a little bit offended that I just wake up and check the forums to find he has changed the rules without getting a nod from me or even any confirmation that I had seen the thread he posted in the mod forum yesterday, which I had not). The thing is that you can be a newbie author with no idea what you're doing who posts exactly one-page chapters of the most generic Mary Sue trainer fic found on Earth, and still post about your fic in the Happy Fun Get the Word Out Thread. Frankly, practically nobody looked at the Happy Fun Get the Word Out thread, exactly because of that. There is absolutely no reason to believe that any link posted there leads to anything worth reading. Meanwhile, the Recommendations thread was a thread that only people with really good fics would ever be honoured in. It was actually a respectable thread that was worth looking at if you wanted a good read.

Nobody is going to flip through a whole new thread searching for the stray recommendation posts that happen maybe once every five pages. That thread is going to die and become one of those threads that everybody posts in and nobody reads, which is a shame for a recommendation thread.
 

not_awake

Who flung poo?
I concur with Dragonfree. Things found in the recommendations thread carried more weight because there wasn't the blatant self-promotion. A few had the chutzpah to recommend themselves, but for the most part it was recommending good fics. The integrity of this thread should be maintained rather than let it be overwhelmed with spammy promotions for horrid, headed nowhere fics.

We've got the fanfic commercial thread. Why not merge Get the Word Out with that? They both seem to serve the same purpose.
 

Dragonfree

Just me
The more I think about it, the more I think it would be good just to ditch the Happy Fun Get the Word Out Thread. I mean, has anybody ever actually read that thing? However, it would be a very good idea to sticky the Fanfic Commercial thread instead. Unlike shameless plugs, the commercials actually say something about the author's general grammar and writing skills, and about the genre and plot of the fic. Best of all, I can actually picture a person who isn't even looking for a fic to read flipping through the Commercials thread for fun and maybe even becoming interested in a fic they never felt like looking at before. We already have the fanfic catalogue for a plain list of ongoing fics, anyway.

Who's with me?
 

Dias

Fenrir
As it stands, it seems I am being accused of walking in here and changing things on my own accord. I would like to point out that I had a rathery lengthy discussion with Sandra (Zephyr Flare) yesterday about the ammended issues, and she shared qualms and and ideas. I just went ahead and did the work of writing threads up and moving them around. As for the rules, they've hardly been changed, mainly just reinforced with common sense.

As for a recommendations thread, I hardly think that saying 'you can only post here "good" fics that are deemed "good" by other "good" authors, because we don't want any of your "horrid" fics here' constitutes a helpful and constructive environment. I was unaware that archetypical SPPf eliticism was seeping even into fanfictions. People cannot improve if people don't know their work exists.

But, moving onto a more constructive response; I see the point in making the Fanfic Commericals thread a sticky, and making the Recommendations thread for recommendations only. The only qualm I have with that is the fact it would take us back up to seven stickies.

I guess until we find a way to deal with that, there will have to be seven. I'll go ahead and resticky recommendations, sticky commercials, and do away with Announcements and Recommendations.
 

Timid Kyogre

Endangered Creature
*Raises hand*

I completely agree with Dragonfree. Commercials thread is better than the Happy Fun get out word blah (Can't be bothered to check the title of the thread) it's much more fun. I also think it sort of shows the way the author writes, etc. etc.

So yeah, stick the commercials thread.

Edit: Posted this when Dias said commercials thread will be stickied o_O

~Timid Kyogre
 
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Dragonfree

Just me
Dias said:
As for a recommendations thread, I hardly think that saying 'you can only post here "good" fics that are deemed "good" by other "good" authors, because we don't want any of your "horrid" fics here' constitutes a helpful and constructive environment. I was unaware that archetypical SPPf eliticism was seeping even into fanfictions. People cannot improve if people don't know their work exists.
What the hell? I never said any of that. The fact that a thread for recommending good fics, Pokémon or non-Pokémon from here or elsewhere, is likely to be composed of better fiction on average than a thread where people shamelessly plug their own work should be common sense and has about as much to do with elitism as, uh, that Unown smilie over there. Are you seriously saying that it's wrong of people to say, "Hey, I just read this story I really liked," because that's "elitist", doesn't constitute a "helpful and constructive environment" and leads to people not improving? Frankly, that's rubbish.

Nobody goes to the Happy Fun Get the Word Out Thread. Why not? Because if people are looking for just any fic so they can review it, they'll just look at the fanfic forum main page and click a random thread there. On the other hand, if people are looking for something that will blow them away and put the fic on their list of favorite fics, going to the Happy Fun Get the Word Out Thread is about as likely to be successful as going to a library, walking to a completely random shelf and taking out a completely random book.

A Recommendations thread is simply a solution to the second case: it's a collection of fics that others have liked, which yields it at least slightly likelier that you'll end up reading something that you will like too. What is wrong with that?
 

Dias

Fenrir
Dragonfree said:
What the hell? I never said any of that.

I never said you did. I was mainly responding to

not_awake said:
The integrity of this thread should be maintained rather than let it be overwhelmed with spammy promotions for horrid, headed nowhere fics.

Though I suppose this also supports it

Dragonfree said:
Meanwhile, the Recommendations thread was a thread that only people with really good fics would ever be honoured in.

Anyway, moving on from the argumentation, I don't see why we still have a problem. I took the concerns/suggestions of yourself and the others who have posted, acknowledged them as valid, agreed, and willfuly implemented the ideas. The Fanfiction Commercials thread is stickied, the Recommendations thread is stickies, and the Announcements/Recommendations thrad is closed and destickied. I don't have a problem with the recommendations thread. Am I correct in assuming that animosities are now purged, and we can move on?

All I am really saying is that, down the road, I would like to find away to decrease the number of stickies in the forum.
 

not_awake

Who flung poo?
Personally, I like to call my elitism meritocracy. I have fewer social dues to pay then. ;)

If you're looking to shed some dead weight from the stickies I would recommend the fic ideas. Approximately 2/3 of it is composed of new ideas while the remaining 1/3 is equal parts constructive criticism, shallow feedback, and spam. Because of the constant inflow of new ideas there's rarely a chance to discuss and shape anything that's been posted. Plots are rarely discussed beyond a post or two. It essentially becomes a way for authors to preview their work, many of which never make it to production.

Though, on the downside, if it were removed I'm sure the board would quickly be inundated with threads about people's brilliant new ideas.
 

RaZoR LeAf

Night Terror
Fanfic Commercials doesn't need to be stickied. Yes it's a clever idea, and yes people can have some fun posting in it, but it's no more special than 'Fanfic Soundtracks' or 'Who would play your characters' in a film.

The Fanfiction Catalouge is very much the same as a Get the Word out Thread. Ultimatly, it's people repliying with their fic and a summary, only for it to be added to the first post. Not counting the list on the first page, it's exactly what the 'word out' thread does.

Fic Ideas was posted in 2004. Where's the harm in closing it and starting a new topic? Fanfic Reviwers is the same. How many of the people who've posted in that thread are still active in fanfic, or even active at all? Starting a thread over gives it a fresh start.
 
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